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Old 11-24-2019, 09:50 PM
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This is exactly what gets me. Either Eloy has no talent for the OF or his coaches have failed him.

On another point, does anyone know if Luis Robert has a "right-fielders" arm? I think he has played CF in the minors.
His coaches were probably focused on his offense and not worrying about his defense. You aren't going to play a guy like that at DH during developmental years, but he was blowing through every level. His defense was probably good enough in HS. Then he just flew through the minors where the emphasis was on his bat.

The Sox don't have an outfield instructor that works with each team as I understand it. Rowand is that guy and he covers all the teams. I have no idea if that's common in the minors for all teams so won't comment further. Once his bat was ready he was going to come up. Maybe with regular coaching now he can improve. I'm certainly not going to judge him on his first year in the majors when again the emphasis was on his hitting, because if he hits he stays. The Sox are going to give him every chance to be the starting LF. Hopefully he improves. If not, he can DH in a few years.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:27 PM
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This is exactly what gets me. Either Eloy has no talent for the OF or his coaches have failed him.

On another point, does anyone know if Luis Robert has a "right-fielders" arm? I think he has played CF in the minors.
Eloy’s never going to get appreciably better out there. What we see is what we get.

As for Robert, I don’t think his arm would be a problem in RF.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:49 PM
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Robert in RF has Eaton in right potential...but Robert is also GG caliber in CF which is way more important.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:54 PM
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RF? No. Too difficult to make those throws without adequate experience.
No, him not being suitable for RF has nothing to do with not having experience making throws to cut off men. That's just playing catch. Assuming he has the arm strength for a decent throw from right to 3b, the rest has to do with how he can read balls off the bat/ jumps on balls, routes, and overall speed to cover ground.

Moustakas could probably handle a corner OF spot, but he would be more useful playing there 20-30 games as a super sub than as a regular OFer.
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:09 PM
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No, him not being suitable for RF has nothing to do with not having experience making throws to cut off men. That's just playing catch. Assuming he has the arm strength for a decent throw from right to 3b, the rest has to do with how he can read balls off the bat/ jumps on balls, routes, and overall speed to cover ground.

Moustakas could probably handle a corner OF spot, but he would be more useful playing there 20-30 games as a super sub than as a regular OFer.
You’re coming over the top on those OF throws instead of coming from underneath. It takes some time to get used to doing it full-speed. I agree that I would only do it sparingly, if at all.

Danny Mendick also played some LF in Charlotte last year.

They don’t have to be great out there, just better than Eloy.
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:16 AM
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Eloy’s never going to get appreciably better out there. What we see is what we get.

As for Robert, I don’t think his arm would be a problem in RF.
I agree totally with you. I ask in general: What's Eloy's motivation to get better in the OF?

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Robert in RF has Eaton in right potential...but Robert is also GG caliber in CF which is way more important.
So Eaton who is average in at best in RF is the player comp you you see in Robert as a RFer?? But Robert in CF is GG material?

Really?
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Old 11-25-2019, 09:01 AM
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I agree totally with you. I ask in general: What's Eloy's motivation to get better in the OF?
It's going to be a long time before Eloy is a free agent, but when that day comes his value will be higher if he can play the field.
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Old 11-25-2019, 09:41 AM
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I agree totally with you. I ask in general: What's Eloy's motivation to get better in the OF?
Be a good teammate.

Pride.

Future pay.

Team success.

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Why would you assume he doesn't want to get better?
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:13 AM
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Why would you assume he doesn't want to get better?
Defense doesn't seem to have the value it once did in the game. In addition to that his bat is his reputation. He's looked at by experts as a future slugger in this game.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:20 AM
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Defense doesn't seem to have the value it once did in the game. In addition to that his bat is his reputation. He's looked at by experts as a future slugger in this game.
You're projecting an awful lot onto his personality here. None of us can really know what's going on in his head, but it strikes me as odd that anyone would assume he doesn't WANT to get better defensively.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:36 AM
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I agree that if Eloy Jimenez can only improve in one way, he should choose to improve as a hitter. Becoming a more consistent hitter will provide more benefits to Eloy, and it will provide more benefits to the White Sox.

However, I entirely reject the idea that Eloy Jimenez can only improve in one way.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:48 AM
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I agree that if Eloy Jimenez can only improve in one way, he should choose to improve as a hitter. Becoming a more consistent hitter will provide more benefits to Eloy, and it will provide more benefits to the White Sox.

However, I entirely reject the idea that Eloy Jimenez can only improve in one way.
The problem is that he is starting from the absolute bottom of the barrel. He can improve a whole lot and still be an unacceptably bad LF.
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:05 PM
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You're projecting an awful lot onto his personality here. None of us can really know what's going on in his head, but it strikes me as odd that anyone would assume he doesn't WANT to get better defensively.
He may want to get better but will the team push him to get better? I doubt it. They'll run him through spring training and that's it. What you see is what you get. His future earning power is with a bat in his hands in the batter's box not with a glove on his hand standing on grass.
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:08 PM
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I wonder if the White Sox meet Cole Hamels’s definition of “a contender” after signing Grandal. If he does, that would be a perfect 1-year back-end starter to pair with Wheeler or Bumgarner.

There is a pretty robust market for Wheeler right now. The White Sox may lose him through no fault of their own. Apparently we’re the high bidder right now, but there is speculation that he wants to give the Mets a chance to match any offers.

Wheeler on a 5-year deal w/ 6th-year club option (or Bumgarner on a 4-year deal w/ 5th-year club option as Plan B) and Hamels on a 1-year deal w/ club option for a 2nd year. Then go get a Joc, JBJ, Dickerson, or Calhoun on a 1-year “prove it” contract for the OF opening.
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:15 PM
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I wonder if the White Sox meet Cole Hamels’s definition of “a contender” after signing Grandal. If he does, that would be a perfect 1-year back-end starter to pair with Wheeler or Bumgarner.

There is a pretty robust market for Wheeler right now. The White Sox may lose him through no fault of their own. Apparently we’re the high bidder right now, but there is speculation that he wants to give the Mets a chance to match any offers.

Wheeler on a 5-year deal w/ 6th-year club option (or Bumgarner on a 4-year deal w/ 5th-year club option as Plan B) and Hamels on a 1-year deal w/ club option for a 2nd year. Then go get a Joc, JBJ, Dickerson, or Calhoun on a 1-year “prove it” contract for the OF opening.
Bumgarner is also a back end starter. If we come out of the offseason with him and Cole Hamels, it will be a disaster.
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