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Old 11-24-2019, 10:23 AM
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A Mets writer is claiming the Sox are the highest bidder for Wheeler at the moment. Though I can't find anybody else backing it up so take it with a grain of salt.

Even if we don't end up with him I like this aggressiveness.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:00 PM
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Regarding Mohoney’s suggestion for Moustakas: Does anyone think that Moustakas could play an acceptable RF?
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:14 PM
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He's never played an inning of outfield in his MLB career, I can't imagine that he'd be very effective in RF.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:28 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:42 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.

Avi's injury history is extensive, I don't think a long term contract would be worth it. Considering that Robert will be on the big league roster soon I don't think the White Sox are handing out a long term deal to a FA outfielder.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:02 PM
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Regarding Mohoney’s suggestion for Moustakas: Does anyone think that Moustakas could play an acceptable RF?
RF? No. Too difficult to make those throws without adequate experience.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:35 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.
We still would need a starting RF anyway.

I’m not talking about using Moose as an everyday OF. I’m talking about him shouldering some of the burden in LF, because I don’t see how he possibly can be worse out there than Eloy. Ideally, Eloy would be getting more and more DH appearances with each passing year, because whenever the team is finally ready to be honest with themselves, he will become the primary DH. In the meantime, it would be advantageous to have 2 or 3 options—who actually can hit—to sub him out in late innings and against tough RHP. Hence the reason I would like to see if Madrigal and Moose can learn the position.

Moose or Villar at $10-12 million and JBJ at $10-12 million would round out this position player group quite nicely. Since this team is hell-bent on Eloy being the primary LF, JBJ in CF and Robert in RF would at least make it more palatable. All of those guys also provide much-needed LH power to the lineup. Engel can be the 4th OF, as long as his plate appearances are kept to a minimum.

Teams like the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Brewers, and Yankees are assembling rosters with starting-caliber players on the bench. They also have premier guys like Cody Bellinger and Kris Bryant playing multiple positions. With McCann taking a back seat to Grandal, we may be on the way to doing that ourselves.

All that would be left would be getting some pitching, which the team plans on doing anyway.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:39 PM
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Avi's injury history is extensive, I don't think a long term contract would be worth it. Considering that Robert will be on the big league roster soon I don't think the White Sox are handing out a long term deal to a FA outfielder.
That’s because Betts is getting one next winter.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:54 PM
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We still would need a starting RF anyway.

I’m not talking about using Moose as an everyday OF. I’m talking about him shouldering some of the burden in LF, because I don’t see how he possibly can be worse out there than Eloy. Ideally, Eloy would be getting more and more DH appearances with each passing year, because whenever the team is finally ready to be honest with themselves, he will become the primary DH. In the meantime, it would be advantageous to have 2 or 3 options—who actually can hit—to sub him out in late innings and against tough RHP. Hence the reason I would like to see if Madrigal and Moose can learn the position.

Moose or Villar at $10-12 million and JBJ at $10-12 million would round out this position player group quite nicely. Since this team is hell-bent on Eloy being the primary LF, JBJ in CF and Robert in RF would at least make it more palatable. All of those guys also provide much-needed LH power to the lineup. Engel can be the 4th OF, as long as his plate appearances are kept to a minimum.

Teams like the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Brewers, and Yankees are assembling rosters with starting-caliber players on the bench. They also have premier guys like Cody Bellinger and Kris Bryant playing multiple positions. With McCann taking a back seat to Grandal, we may be on the way to doing that ourselves.

All that would be left would be getting some pitching, which the team plans on doing anyway.
I'm not sure you can count on a guy who has never played LF in his career to be better than a guy who has been doing it his whole life, even if Eloy's defense has been shaky. Also, with the Abreu extension, I can't see Eloy moving to DH until after 2022.

That said, if the Sox really are going to pump money into 2020 I agree with you that Moose would be an upgrade over Yolmer or Leury. It's a long shot it actually happens though, when there are so many more pressing needs than upgrading the bench.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:59 PM
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A Mets writer is claiming the Sox are the highest bidder for Wheeler at the moment. Though I can't find anybody else backing it up so take it with a grain of salt.

Even if we don't end up with him I like this aggressiveness.
Nice to see. Heyman confirms the Sox interest, and also says that Wheeler wants to give the mets the opportunity to match any offer, though the Mets look ready to move on.

I still think the Sox should at least entertain the idea of Cole/Strasburg who are much safer bets going forward. That said if both of those guys are intent on dragging things out until Feb/March, then I see why they would prefer to go after Wheeler now and not risk going home empty-handed.
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Old 11-24-2019, 05:05 PM
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I'm not sure you can count on a guy who has never played LF in his career to be better than a guy who has been doing it his whole life, even if Eloy's defense has been shaky. Also, with the Abreu extension, I can't see Eloy moving to DH until after 2022.

That said, if the Sox really are going to pump money into 2020 I agree with you that Moose would be an upgrade over Yolmer or Leury. It's a long shot it actually happens though, when there are so many more pressing needs than upgrading the bench.
“Shaky?” He is among the very worst defenders the game has to offer.
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Old 11-24-2019, 05:24 PM
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“Shaky?” He is among the very worst defenders the game has to offer.
The team believes he's a better defender than what he showed last year. I'm sure you and many others on this board will disagree, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they've seen a lot more of Eloy than any of the posters here have, so I'm going to remain optimistic that he can improve.

Besides, it doesn't really matter what any of us think - they just tied up the DH spot in 2022 with Abreu so I can't imagine them really transitioning Eloy out of LF until afterwards.
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Old 11-24-2019, 06:11 PM
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The team believes he's a better defender than what he showed last year. I'm sure you and many others on this board will disagree, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they've seen a lot more of Eloy than any of the posters here have, so I'm going to remain optimistic that he can improve.
I agree with Mohoney; he's as bad as it gets. Maybe he can get better but that's only if he works at it.

Go ahead, surprise me kid.
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Old 11-24-2019, 06:37 PM
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I agree with Mohoney; he's as bad as it gets. Maybe he can get better but that's only if he works at it.

Go ahead, surprise me kid.
He has played the outfield his entire life, and this is the best he has been able to do thus far.

I was hoping the stubbornness would go away with the spending restrictions. Alas, it doesn’t look likely. Renteria is still managing, Eloy is still in LF, Jerry is still dictating personnel decisions...
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Old 11-24-2019, 08:44 PM
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He has played the outfield his entire life, and this is the best he has been able to do thus far....
This is exactly what gets me. Either Eloy has no talent for the OF or his coaches have failed him.

On another point, does anyone know if Luis Robert has a "right-fielders" arm? I think he has played CF in the minors.
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