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Old 11-11-2017, 11:45 AM
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That was something a non-WSI friend of mine kept saying about the 2017 team: they never gave up in the late innings. Completely different from the Ventura teams.
Also unlike the Ventura teams, they never gave up against division rivals in the early innings.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:50 AM
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Also unlike the Ventura teams, they never gave up against division rivals in the early innings.
Night and day difference between last year and the previous few years under Ventura. I'm all for sticking with Renteria until he shows us he can't.
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Old 11-11-2017, 12:21 PM
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I think that to some degree the jury is still out on Avi too. You want to see more than one year from a guy particularly after several mediocre years. So I have no problem with the general conclusion.

However... I am going to have to disagree with a couple things said in the article.

One reason Avi hit better was that he was much better at laying off bad pitches. He still has plenty of room to improve but he improved enough to ensure that he ended up swinging at more strikes. His results improved accordingly.

Second, the guy says he became pull happy and that a shift would negate his effectiveness. This one is flat out wrong. One of the reason Avi hit so well was that he was taking outside pitches to RF. He looked like Konerko in his best years poking the outside pitch past the second baseman. Radical shift on Avi and he'll have a field day unless you do nothing but pitch inside.

Third, nothing in the article about the contribution Avi's exit velocity makes on his BABIP. Yes, he's a ground ball hitter and I do not expect to see his power numbers increase substantially until he changes that but he gets away with hitting so many ground balls because he hits them as hard as power hitters hit fly balls with the result that they get through the infield before the infielder can flag them down.

Avi's hitting last year was not just good luck. He made very real and noticeable improvements that lead to those better results. I still want to see that he can sustain those lessons learned but I believe he can and will as long as he stays focused on the field.
He also beats out WAY more groundballs on the infield than most players do because of his speed and hustle. No free outs when Avi puts wood on the ball unless he pops it up. That can actually contribute to more errors or at least stress on the defense and reduces the number of GIDP he hits into.
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:08 PM
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A look at the situations for Jose' and Avi heading into the GM meetings Monday:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/...-abreu-garcia/
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:55 PM
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What's everyones opinion on some sign-and-flip candidates? A couple names that interest me are:

Carlos Conzalez
Carlos Gomez
Huston Street

Feel free to add any others
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:28 PM
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Hahn on the upcoming GM meetings:

“We are going to have the same approach we have had the last year-plus,” general manager Rick Hahn said. “When opportunities present themselves to acquire pieces and add to the talent of the core we have accumulated, we will continue to pursue on those opportunities and convert on as many as we can.”
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:50 PM
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What's everyones opinion on some sign-and-flip candidates? A couple names that interest me are:

Carlos Conzalez
Carlos Gomez
Huston Street

Feel free to add any others
Wow, Street still plays baseball?
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:23 PM
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Wow, Street still plays baseball?
He's actually only 34 years old and had a strained lat last year.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:17 PM
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Would love to get Christian Yelich from MIA. He's controllable for the next 5 years. Probably not too realistic due to the prospects it would cost. Could flip Avi for prospects, then use those plus a few of ours to get him.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:57 PM
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Would love to get Christian Yelich from MIA. He's controllable for the next 5 years. Probably not too realistic due to the prospects it would cost. Could flip Avi for prospects, then use those plus a few of ours to get him.
So something like Robert + Cease or Hansen + whatever we can get for Avi for Yelich?
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:04 PM
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So something like Robert + Cease or Hansen + whatever we can get for Avi for Yelich?
I was thinking more along the lines of Fulmer + Rutherford + whatever we get for Avi. Might have to take Martin Prado's contract off their hands too, but we can absorb that contract easily and if he sucks just cut him after next year as we still have tons of salary space.

Yelich would be a great addition due to his CF ability, consistent play, youth, and 5 years control at a cheap price.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:46 PM
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So something like Robert + Cease or Hansen + whatever we can get for Avi for Yelich?
OH! Heck NO!
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:53 PM
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So something like Robert + Cease or Hansen + whatever we can get for Avi for Yelich?
I like Yelich as a player, but that's way too steep of a price. Especially for a team that's not going to compete for another two years.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:07 PM
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i like yelich as a player, but that's way too steep of a price. Especially for a team that's not going to compete for another two years.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:03 PM
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Hahn listening on Abreu, Garcia offers

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Hahn isn't sure if the inquiries will lead anywhere, but he's open-minded as the club continues their rebuild.
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