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Old 06-04-2018, 10:13 PM
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The idea of a player giving up salary to play for a contender only works if a contender actually wants the player.
This. We didn't want him. Why would a contender?
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Old 06-05-2018, 12:45 AM
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ďLess money?Ē Shields would have been walking away from $44 million guaranteed and walking into the unemployment line. The idea of a player giving up salary to play for a contender only works if a contender actually wants the player.
Yeah I love how fans like to say things like that when it's not their money or their job. Easy to tell other people to walk away from huge sums of money to "do what's right" or "play for a winner". It's a job. I know for most of us it's a passion and I'm sure the vast majority of players who have ever played MLB or even MiLB truly love the game also, but the point of any job is to get paid. As you get to the end of your working career getting the money you are promised is as important as anything else and it should be.
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:15 AM
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James Shields knows he isn't going to be here when the rebuild is complete. Probably why he doesn't care about it.

This. Whether Shields can get traded to a contender or stays with the Sox for the rest of the year, I would even go so far as to say that this might be his last year of pitching anywhere before he hangs 'em up. Why should he give a **** about a rebuild programtwo more years into the futuure?


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Old 06-05-2018, 06:19 AM
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Yeah I love how fans like to say things like that when it's not their money or their job. Easy to tell other people to walk away from huge sums of money to "do what's right" or "play for a winner". It's a job. I know for most of us it's a passion and I'm sure the vast majority of players who have ever played MLB or even MiLB truly love the game also, but the point of any job is to get paid. As you get to the end of your working career getting the money you are promised is as important as anything else and it should be.
Exactly. It's easy to spend others money. If you aren't in their position you have no room to talk. Money is money.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:10 AM
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Shields would have reduced his salary by 90% had he opted out. Nobody does that.
He just needs to pitch well so that the Sox can recoup something from the disaster that was the Shields trade.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:47 AM
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Comparing apples and automobiles. The Blackhawks got on television full time when they started winning. That was an addition variable on what brought back the fans.

So what you're saying that even if the Blackhawks were just as bad in 2011-2018 as they were in the previous 10 years is that the fans would have returned because they were on television?
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:23 PM
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I have to say it: 2018 Shields has some trade value.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:26 PM
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I have to say it: 2018 Shields has some trade value.
If I'm a contending team and looking to round out my rotation, I am going to overpay for Shields.

No doubt about it.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:38 PM
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7 innings of 1 run ball tonight for James. Not too shabby.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:41 PM
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If I'm a contending team and looking to round out my rotation, I am going to overpay for Shields.

No doubt about it.
An overpay for Shields is still just a teamís No. 15 or worse prospect.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:03 PM
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An overpay for Shields is still just a teamís No. 15 or worse prospect.
Pretty sure the Padres would give us Tatis back right now.


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Old 06-12-2018, 10:12 PM
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If I'm a contending team and looking to round out my rotation, I am going to overpay for Shields.

No doubt about it.
I would love this. He does not have value for us besides trade value because he is not likely to be relevant when weíre going to compete.

For those talking taking less, this is Shieldsí major contract. He was set for life before this, but this contract was his huge one He isnít a Karl Malone, Gary Payton, etc. who made mega millions for many years, had big endorsements, etc. LeBron, KD, Curry, Rose - they all could sign for the minimum if they really wanted to win bad enough because their shoe contracts and other endorsements likely exceed their salary.

Some players want the championship bad enough to sacrifice money. Itís usually not a huge sacrifice but sometimes itís a few million a year. Baseball doesnít have super teams with 3-4 major players. Even getting 2-3 amazing players, they wonít win a title all by themselves.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:16 PM
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An overpay for Shields is still just a teamís No. 15 or worse prospect.
I think he's worth a little bit more than a Ti'quan Forbes, a little bit less than a Ryan Cordell. But that's still something.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:43 PM
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I think he's worth a little bit more than a Ti'quan Forbes, a little bit less than a Ryan Cordell. But that's still something.
It is, especially since he was one of the worst projected starters in the majors coming into the year. Letís hope he can keep it up another month.
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:39 AM
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Alone his value isnít high, but perhaps thereís a team that needs both a starter and bullpen help, to whom we could package Shields plus a reliever or two, to get a better return.
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