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Old 09-08-2017, 05:53 PM
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Default Rick Hahn: GM Of the Year?

Do we think he honestly has a shot at this award? I think it would be pretty wonderful if he managed to receive this with a team that could very well wind up finishing last in the league. I mean the amount of talent he has infused into this farm system over the last year is astonishing.

EDIT: I believe the award is actually Executive of the Year
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:17 PM
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:58 PM
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The argument "against" is that it's much easier to build a loser than a winner. Every team in baseball would have taken Sale, Eaton, Quintana.

The argument "for" is that he set a direction and executed his plan to perfection. He traded almost every tradeable asset and got what are generally agreed to be good to excellent returns. He also signed Robert, and the 2017 draft class seems like a good one.

It takes guts to gut a team, but we really can't judge him until we see Year 2 and Year 3 of the rebuild (at least). I don't think he wins it, but he will be a lead pipe cinch if the Sox are back in the playoffs in 2019.
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:59 PM
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I understand this line of thinking, but the fact remains that he has completely reshape this organization in a year. This is the proudest and most confident I've been as a Sox fan since October 26th, 2005.
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:15 PM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
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Old 09-08-2017, 08:56 PM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:42 PM
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I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
Yeah, that's my way of thinking on this too. I'm very impressed with what he has done. But it is all potential right now. We don't know if he did a good job. We think he did a good job. It looks like he did a good job. But we don't and won't know for sure for a couple years or more.

The comparison to Andre Dawson doesn't really fit because we had direct evidence of just how good a year Dawson personally had.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:43 PM
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I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
Oh I totally agree with you that he's not going to win. I'm just saying that the logic behind the original poster's argument is strong.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:17 AM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
I am 99% on board with you but it's not too late to trade Mike Pelfrey for some really raw 100 mph arm who is an underachiever, like Jenks 2.0. That's the one I have been pushing for.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:03 AM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
Because Dawson's achievements could be measured while Hahn's, to this point, can only be speculated.

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I am 99% on board with you but it's not too late to trade Mike Pelfrey for some really raw 100 mph arm who is an underachiever, like Jenks 2.0. That's the one I have been pushing for.
I'd rather have a pitcher.
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:13 AM
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I am 99% on board with you but it's not too late to trade Mike Pelfrey for some really raw 100 mph arm who is an underachiever, like Jenks 2.0. That's the one I have been pushing for.
Yes it is. Nobody wants Pelfrey. And they already picked up Victor Diaz, who fits your profile.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:06 PM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
Isn't it generally acknowledged that Dawson was one of the weakest MVP picks in modern history? He wasn't even a top 10 (maybe even 15) player in the NL that season.
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Isn't it generally acknowledged that Dawson was one of the weakest MVP picks in modern history? He wasn't even a top 10 (maybe even 15) player in the NL that season.
He led the league in HR - 49 and RBI - 137 while scoring 90. He posted an .896 OPS.

His team sucked. He did not.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:31 PM
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The argument "against" is that it's much easier to build a loser than a winner. Every team in baseball would have taken Sale, Eaton, Quintana.

The argument "for" is that he set a direction and executed his plan to perfection. He traded almost every tradeable asset and got what are generally agreed to be good to excellent returns. He also signed Robert, and the 2017 draft class seems like a good one.

It takes guts to gut a team, but we really can't judge him until we see Year 2 and Year 3 of the rebuild (at least). I don't think he wins it, but he will be a lead pipe cinch if the Sox are back in the playoffs in 2019.
I just don't understand taking a doom and gloom stance or assuming that Hahn has stockpiled all this guaranteed talent. We are guaranteed nothing either way so far. Like Voodoo said this will take a while before it shakes down one way or another. I'm not knocking anybody excited about the future, believe me I hope you're all right. I just have to see it in the win column and even under the best of circumstances that ain't happening any time soon.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:37 PM
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Hahn anywhere near GM of the year would be ridiculous.
Outrageous
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