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Old 07-02-2013, 12:32 PM
Harry Chappas Harry Chappas is offline
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If you want to argue that Ventura should be given the remainder of this year, I'm in complete agreement. I loved him as a player and he seems like a genuinely decent guy. There's no point in firing him at this point. But hanging this disaster of a season on the players and giving Ventura a free pass is ridiculous.

His inexperience showed last year too. His handling of the pitching staff, bullpen, pitching changes, etc. led to much hand-wringing on this very board and may have cost us a shot at the playoffs. He was in over his head then and now. And as someone else pointed out, why should any of this come as a surprise? I think the Sox grossly underestimated how difficult coaching is and selected Ventura in the hopes that such a popular former player would keep the pitchforks at bay, experience be damned.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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I'm a huge fan of Ventura as a player and a person, but if we're going to reload/rebuild, we need a guy who has a track record of working with younger players as our manager.

The other question is what Don Cooper may do. He may not want to sit through a rebuilding period or go back to a more traditional coaching role if we hire an experienced manager. But he's a huge asset to the club, and would be super-difficult to replace.

This will be as tricky to handle for Rick Hahn as getting the best talent possible in salary-cutting deals.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:19 PM
Frater Perdurabo Frater Perdurabo is offline
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The manager who has the most proven record of working well with young players is currently managing the Orioles. And his track record shows he'll likely wear out his welcome in the clubhouse in another year or two.
The universe is the practical joke of the General at the expense of the Particular, quoth Frater Perdurabo, and laughed. The disciples nearest him wept, seeing the Universal Sorrow. Others laughed, seeing the Universal Joke. Others wept. Others laughed. Others wept because they couldn't see the Joke, and others laughed lest they should be thought not to see the Joke. But though FRATER laughed openly, he wept secretly; and really he neither laughed nor wept. Nor did he mean what he said.
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