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Old 01-21-2003, 01:22 AM
Foulke You Foulke You is offline
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Wunsch was successful in 2000 partly because Manuel used him smarter back then. Kelly should be uses as a lefty specialist. Period, end of story. And he should only be using him in short stints as he did in 2000 (1 or 2 left batters) and then yank him. In 2002 Manuel got away from this philosophy with Wunsch and left him in to face righty batters who have always batted will against him. Even his numbers in 2000 supported this theory. If I remember right, lefties hit like .150 off of Wunsch and close to .300 for righties. Certainly the injuries played a part in Wunsch's decline but it wasn't all his fault. "The Tinkerer" had a hand.
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Old 01-21-2003, 03:31 AM
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Wunsch was successful in 2000 partly because Manuel used him smarter back then. Kelly should be uses as a lefty specialist. Period, end of story. And he should only be using him in short stints as he did in 2000 (1 or 2 left batters) and then yank him. In 2002 Manuel got away from this philosophy with Wunsch and left him in to face righty batters who have always batted will against him. Even his numbers in 2000 supported this theory. If I remember right, lefties hit like .150 off of Wunsch and close to .300 for righties. Certainly the injuries played a part in Wunsch's decline but it wasn't all his fault. "The Tinkerer" had a hand.
you know, i don't understand that complaint. that seems more to me like just looking to find another reason to unjustifiably complain about manuel.

we were out of the race by the time wunsch returned to the team and marte had taken over as the more prominant lefty in the pen. what was manuel supposed to do? throw wunsch back into the fire in late game situations when we needed to get a lefty out? wunsch was still returning from surgery and didn't have all of his velocity back. manuel mostly used wunsch in long relief in games which were not close so wunsch could work his way back in low pressure situations where the outcome of the game didn't hinge on his performance. we were out of the race and wunsch needed innings to become reacquianted with pitching to major leaguers. i see no other way manuel could've acted.
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Old 01-21-2003, 10:57 AM
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Wunsch against lefties last year:
2-1 1.31 ERA 15K 8BB 20.2IP .195 Opponents Batting average

Wunsch against righties last year:
0-1 7.36 ERA 7K 11BB 11IP .250 Opponents Batting average

So long as Wunsch is used against lefties, he is still very effective.

Glover as a reliever last year:
0-1 1.21 ERA 16K 9BB 22.1IP .183 Opponents batting average

Glover as a starter last year:
7-7 5.97 ERA 54K 43BB 116IP .258 Opponents batting average

Let Glover start. Please. Glover is extremely effective out of the pen.
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Old 01-21-2003, 11:55 AM
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Perhaps I'm silly for even thinking of this, but how do the '03 Sox fare on the ex-Cub factor?

I know the '60 Pirates and '01 Diamondbacks overcame it, but I'd hate to see our ballclub burdened by having too many dinks from the North Side on our team.
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Old 01-21-2003, 12:43 PM
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Perhaps I'm silly for even thinking of this, but how do the '03 Sox fare on the ex-Cub factor?

I know the '60 Pirates and '01 Diamondbacks overcame it, but I'd hate to see our ballclub burdened by having too many dinks from the North Side on our team.
Garland and Gordon. I think that's it. Not too bad if I'm not missing anyone.
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Old 01-21-2003, 02:02 PM
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Garland and Gordon. I think that's it. Not too bad if I'm not missing anyone.
I only count Gordon. Garland never had a chance to get tainted by the parent club as he was never called up.
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Old 01-21-2003, 03:41 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
[B]Wunsch against lefties last year:
2-1 1.31 ERA 15K 8BB 20.2IP .195 Opponents Batting average

Wunsch against righties last year:
0-1 7.36 ERA 7K 11BB 11IP .250 Opponents Batting average

So long as Wunsch is used against lefties, he is still very effective.

A lefty specialist like Wunsch isn't a good fit in a pen with two other lefties. If Munoz or more likely Sanders makes the team in ST I could see him being dealt.
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