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Old 03-10-2018, 12:19 AM
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Life is always the first choice of almost everyone except for people in the last few months of their life who are dying from a painful and debilitating disease by a HUGE percentage. There is still enjoyment to be had watching TV or talking to people or playing a game or whatever even in prison.
Agreed. You got to figure Loiaza will do real good on the prison baseball team.
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Old 03-10-2018, 03:44 AM
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If they found him with 20 kilos imagine the amount moving through there yearly. If he did that once a week, that'd be 25+ mil per year 's worth of coke.
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Old 03-10-2018, 03:49 AM
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Life is always the first choice of almost everyone except for people in the last few months of their life who are dying from a painful and debilitating disease by a HUGE percentage. There is still enjoyment to be had watching TV or talking to people or playing a game or whatever even in prison.
Everything living is like that, too. I imagine there is a fly in a state of ecstasy from eating **** as we type.
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Old 03-11-2018, 05:55 AM
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I hope if my future is in the hands of a jury, some of you are not on that jury. Good grief, we have less than 30% of the story and you have him splitting rocks for a lifetime.
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:43 AM
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I hope if my future is in the hands of a jury, some of you are not on that jury. Good grief, we have less than 30% of the story and you have him splitting rocks for a lifetime.
The Loaiza update is that he was transferred to federal prosecution with charges including a max life sentence.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:23 AM
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The Loaiza update is that he was transferred to federal prosecution with charges including a max life sentence.
That has nothing to do with the evidence the government is collecting for the case. All they have right now is probable cause for arresting him and probable cause is the lowest burden of proof in the criminal justice scheme. Federal prosecutors are not allowed to make up evidence, so the fact that he is also facing federal charges does not mean he is now guilty before the trial. It only means, that the government feels that there is evidence to support a case for one or more violations of a federal criminal statute.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:08 AM
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That has nothing to do with the evidence the government is collecting for the case. All they have right now is probable cause for arresting him and probable cause is the lowest burden of proof in the criminal justice scheme. Federal prosecutors are not allowed to make up evidence, so the fact that he is also facing federal charges does not mean he is now guilty before the trial. It only means, that the government feels that there is evidence to support a case for one or more violations of a federal criminal statute.
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Old 03-12-2018, 12:18 PM
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He looks the same to me, he was always bald but it looks like he lost some weight.

The government always comes out with big shocking indictments especially if it's a famous person but these indictments have a problem sticking once they get into a court of law.

They are trying to really nail him because the property where the drugs were found is located near a school but something tells me Estiban Loaiza wasn't selling baggies of cocaine infront of a school.
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Old 03-12-2018, 12:35 PM
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I hope if my future is in the hands of a jury, some of you are not on that jury. Good grief, we have less than 30% of the story and you have him splitting rocks for a lifetime.
I mean, having enough cocaine to last you a lifetime looks bad on its face. You’re right, though, wait until more comes out.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:02 AM
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I mean, having enough cocaine to last you a lifetime looks bad on its face. You’re right, though, wait until more comes out.
It has not yet been proven that he "had" that Cocaine.
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:06 PM
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That has nothing to do with the evidence the government is collecting for the case. All they have right now is probable cause for arresting him and probable cause is the lowest burden of proof in the criminal justice scheme. Federal prosecutors are not allowed to make up evidence, so the fact that he is also facing federal charges does not mean he is now guilty before the trial. It only means, that the government feels that there is evidence to support a case for one or more violations of a federal criminal statute.
If we were on the jury we'd be committing a crime posting about it. Pretty sure no one here is, so there is nothing to worry about regarding conjecture. Not much of a leap to conclude the most likely outcome here is a conviction if you ask me.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:44 AM
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If we were on the jury we'd be committing a crime posting about it. Pretty sure no one here is, so there is nothing to worry about regarding conjecture. Not much of a leap to conclude the most likely outcome here is a conviction if you ask me.
I'd be tempted to take a bet on that. Convictions are rare. Most criminal cases either plead out (most common occurrence), are dropped or go to a trial before a jury of the Defendant's peers for a NG.
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According to Channel 7 tonight, Loazia is expected to plead guilty to cocaine charges by the government.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:33 PM
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What I want to know is...why was he running drugs for the cartel when he made $46 million in his career? Did he blow through all that money? Did he have a drug problem and this was his easy access? It's such a strange story.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:10 PM
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What I want to know is...why was he running drugs for the cartel when he made $46 million in his career? Did he blow through all that money? Did he have a drug problem and this was his easy access? It's such a strange story.
It's possible he or family got caught up in something.

The cartel is unrelenting.

We'll probably hear his story through the trial.
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