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Old 01-06-2020, 02:35 PM
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A 21 yr old rookie slashing .255/.326/.745 with 17HR and 28 SB's and playing stellar defensive CF is a disappointment? Pretty harsh and unreasonable expectations IMO.
Ha, agreed. Robles was hardly an offensive disappointment in DC this season.

Here were Robles' ZIPS projections in Feb. 2019 for the 2019 season:

.258/.329/.405
2.4 WAR
10 HR
28 SB

He met expectations.

Seriously folks. Take a few mins - literally less than a minute on the internet - to back up your assertions (stated as fact) before you post.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:20 PM
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I think people are thinking Robert is going to be Mike Trout. He has an asinine amount of potential, but he is a free swinger, and that can mean a tougher adjustment in the bigs.

If he put him a season like Robles, it would be a big success IMO.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:37 PM
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Ha, agreed. Robles was hardly an offensive disappointment in DC this season.

Here were Robles' ZIPS projections in Feb. 2019 for the 2019 season:

.258/.329/.405
2.4 WAR
10 HR
28 SB

He met expectations.

Seriously folks. Take a few mins - literally less than a minute on the internet - to back up your assertions (stated as fact) before you post.
This is a case of scouting providing more context than the numbers alone can give you. If you had watched him regularly, you might understand why some were disappointed with his play last season.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:38 PM
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I think people are thinking Robert is going to be Mike Trout. He has an asinine amount of potential, but he is a free swinger, and that can mean a tougher adjustment in the bigs.

If he put him a season like Robles, it would be a big success IMO.
I would actually be disappointed if he had a season like Robles. Robles only hit 10 HR in a season 1 time in the minors, Robert had a 30/30 season last year. I would be disappointed if Robert didn't have 20/30 in the majors, and I wouldn't doubt him going 30/40 to be honest. He's got that kind of skill. I think it's all going to be about the injuries. How much time does he miss because of leg injuries or getting hit in the hand. That's what I'm most worried about. But when the guy makes contact, like Eloy, it's going to go!
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:03 PM
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I would actually be disappointed if he had a season like Robles. Robles only hit 10 HR in a season 1 time in the minors, Robert had a 30/30 season last year. I would be disappointed if Robert didn't have 20/30 in the majors, and I wouldn't doubt him going 30/40 to be honest. He's got that kind of skill. I think it's all going to be about the injuries. How much time does he miss because of leg injuries or getting hit in the hand. That's what I'm most worried about. But when the guy makes contact, like Eloy, it's going to go!
This is exactly how I feel. I felt very positive about Eloy also, but he struggled due to the erratic nature of his rookie season caused by the injuries. I still have high hopes for Robert to post a .850+ OPS with stellar defense and a bunch of SB his rookie year, but that's just me...
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This is exactly how I feel. I felt very positive about Eloy also, but he struggled due to the erratic nature of his rookie season caused by the injuries. I still have high hopes for Robert to post a .850+ OPS with stellar defense and a bunch of SB his rookie year, but that's just me...
But think about Eloy as he started, and all he saw were sliders down and away because he could not touch them.

That is what a free swinger like Robert is going to face, and its going to take time to adjust.
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:19 PM
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But think about Eloy as he started, and all he saw were sliders down and away because he could not touch them.

That is what a free swinger like Robert is going to face, and its going to take time to adjust.
And Eloy is a better hitter.

Hopefully him hitting 8 or 9 in the order takes a lot of pressure off of him and pitchers don't give him the same treatment as a result of his lineup status.
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And Eloy is a better hitter.

Hopefully him hitting 8 or 9 in the order takes a lot of pressure off of him and pitchers don't give him the same treatment as a result of his lineup status.
Robert will be better.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:01 PM
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Robert will be better.
As an all-around player, I agree, but Eloy's bat has the possibility to be generational. Very few players have as much offensive upside as Eloy. He's got Miguel Cabrera capability. I don't think he'll ever walk enough to approach Frank but he's gonna hit a TON...
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