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Old 01-02-2020, 01:37 PM
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Yep. Along with the theory that Robert wouldn't be interested in an extension since he had already received a huge signing bonus.
Jon Morosi just retweeted a scenario where the Robert extension would be part of a pending sign/trade to the Rockies for Arenado. Keep in mind that he was quoting the possibly senile Phil Rogers.
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Jon Morosi just retweeted a scenario where the Robert extension would be part of a pending sign/trade to the Rockies for Arenado. Keep in mind that he was quoting the possibly senile Phil Rogers.
Why would the Sox do that and leave a gaping hole in CF? They'd also have to move Moncada back to 2B and trade Madrigal too.

That would make NO logical sense.
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Jon Morosi just retweeted a scenario where the Robert extension would be part of a pending sign/trade to the Rockies for Arenado. Keep in mind that he was quoting the possibly senile Phil Rogers.
Clickbait pure and simple.
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Why would the Sox do that and leave a gaping hole in CF? They'd also have to move Moncada back to 2B and trade Madrigal too.

That would make NO logical sense.
I am sure the theory in it is Moncada of Anderson would move to CF. I wouldn’t do it, but that’s a big time move if they did.
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If Anderson moves to the outfield anyway, I would much prefer taking on putrid 1-year money from the Rockies and somehow end up with Brendan Rodgers.

Take back Wade Davis, Shaw, McGee, and Desmond. Send them Leury, Marshall, Mazara, and Kelvin Herrera to balance out some cash and give them a chance to move players in July.

Rockies save $31/$12/$2. You’re basically paying $45 (and another $4 in assignment bonuses) for Brendan Rodgers. Totally worth it IMO.

Moncada/Rodgers/Madrigal/Vaughn IF, Eloy/Robert/TA OF, Grandal behind the plate, Abreu at DH. That is your everyday lineup for at least 2021 and 2022.

The best way to avoid “compromising the future” is to make “the future” the primary focus in each trade.
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If Anderson moves to the outfield anyway, I would much prefer taking on putrid 1-year money from the Rockies and somehow end up with Brendan Rodgers.

Take back Wade Davis, Shaw, McGee, and Desmond. Send them Leury, Marshall, Mazara, and Kelvin Herrera to balance out some cash and give them a chance to move players in July.

Rockies save $31/$12/$2. You’re basically paying $45 (and another $4 in assignment bonuses) for Brendan Rodgers. Totally worth it IMO.

Moncada/Rodgers/Madrigal/Vaughn IF, Eloy/Robert/TA OF, Grandal behind the plate, Abreu at DH. That is your everyday lineup for at least 2021 and 2022.

The best way to avoid “compromising the future” is to make “the future” the primary focus in each trade.
And one more time... there are NO plans to move Anderson off of SS to an OF slot. The ONLY place this is being discussed is in these threads at WSI. Not sure why anyone would have a discussion about it in any serious terms.
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And one more time... there are NO plans to move Anderson off of SS to an OF slot. The ONLY place this is being discussed is in these threads at WSI. Not sure why anyone would have a discussion about it in any serious terms.
I’m just saying I damn sure would rather move Anderson to accommodate Rodgers instead of doing it to turn around and pay full market value to Arenado.
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Arenado is amazing but he has an opt out clause in his contract he can exercise in 2 years. That would scare me if I'm giving up any of our top prospects or young core players. I imagine that clause is also making it harder for the Rockies to find a deal they want for him.
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And one more time... there are NO plans to move Anderson off of SS to an OF slot. The ONLY place this is being discussed is in these threads at WSI. Not sure why anyone would have a discussion about it in any serious terms.
That’s not at all true, Merkin asked Anderson directly about this last year. Anderson’s never ending string of errors is fine when they’re trying to lose but if he doesn’t clean his game up in a big way this year he’s going to be the once forcing that convo
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That’s not at all true, Merkin asked Anderson directly about this last year. Anderson’s never ending string of errors is fine when they’re trying to lose but if he doesn’t clean his game up in a big way this year he’s going to be the once forcing that convo
If you Google "Tim Anderson Centerfield" you come up with the brief Scott Merkin article and mostly older articles from 5+ years ago speculating that TA's future could be in centerfield.

I can't find a shred of evidence suggesting the FO has considered it. Some writers and fantasy GM's have speculated it but there's no proof otherwise.
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If you Google "Tim Anderson Centerfield" you come up with the brief Scott Merkin article and mostly older articles from 5+ years ago speculating that TA's future could be in centerfield.

I can't find a shred of evidence suggesting the FO has considered it. Some writers and fantasy GM's have speculated it but there's no proof otherwise.
As is often the case.
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If you Google "Tim Anderson Centerfield" you come up with the brief Scott Merkin article and mostly older articles from 5+ years ago speculating that TA's future could be in centerfield.

I can't find a shred of evidence suggesting the FO has considered it. Some writers and fantasy GM's have speculated it but there's no proof otherwise.
They haven’t had to yet. There has been no reason to consider it because these were all developmental years. Anderson also is the potential to be a really above average short stop. But he has to get his errors under control. I agree, his range is amazing and his arm is great, but last year he led the MLB in errors in 122 games, if you averaged that over his usual season length it’s 34 errors. Top 5 in 2018 in errors led the league in 2017. You aren’t going to win anything when the most important defensive position on the diamond is leading the league in errors.

The Sox are never going to come out and say they are considering it. You don’t throw the face of the franchise under the bus that way. But if Merkin was asking Anderson about it in 2018, and he is paid to be a mouth piece of the team, he didn’t get that from thin air. Hopefully he gets it cleaned up some and gets the count under 20 this year.
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They haven’t had to yet. There has been no reason to consider it because these were all developmental years. Anderson also is the potential to be a really above average short stop. But he has to get his errors under control. I agree, his range is amazing and his arm is great, but last year he led the MLB in errors in 122 games, if you averaged that over his usual season length it’s 34 errors. Top 5 in 2018 in errors led the league in 2017. You aren’t going to win anything when the most important defensive position on the diamond is leading the league in errors.

The Sox are never going to come out and say they are considering it. You don’t throw the face of the franchise under the bus that way. But if Merkin was asking Anderson about it in 2018, and he is paid to be a mouth piece of the team, he didn’t get that from thin air. Hopefully he gets it cleaned up some and gets the count under 20 this year.
He's also top 3 in OOZ outs. He's had two 1.0 DWAR seasons since he came up and the other two years been basically 0. Last year he was -0.9 in early August but climbed back to finish at -0.1. His improvement as the season progressed was obvious.

Yes he still needs to have a "complete" year where he puts the offense and defense together, but he's getting much closer. He's not moving anytime soon and odds are very good he never will. The rest is pure speculation.
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If the Sox were even remotely considering that Anderson might not be the long-term answer at SS, they’d likely have had Nick Madrigal play a lot of SS in 2019. Given that the Sox also have no other SS prospects on the horizon (Yolbert Sanchez at 21 who hasn’t even played stateside yet, and Lenyn Sosa at 29 who hit .251 at Kannapolis in 2018 are the only SS in our Top 30), and given Madrigal played almost exclusively at 2B across three levels last year, seems to me a pretty strong indicator of how the Sox feel about Anderson’s long term spot on the diamond.
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If the Sox were even remotely considering that Anderson might not be the long-term answer at SS, they’d likely have had Nick Madrigal play a lot of SS in 2019. Given that the Sox also have no other SS prospects on the horizon (Yolbert Sanchez at 21 who hasn’t even played stateside yet, and Lenyn Sosa at 29 who hit .251 at Kannapolis in 2018 are the only SS in our Top 30), and given Madrigal played almost exclusively at 2B across three levels last year, seems to me a pretty strong indicator of how the Sox feel about Anderson’s long term spot on the diamond.
Sosa is 19, not 29, but the rest of your point stands.
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