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Old 11-02-2017, 01:46 PM
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The baseballs will probably be a hot topic at this year's winter meetings. Many pitchers had negative things to say about them.
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Old 11-02-2017, 06:03 PM
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At some point, wouldn’t a hitter who can make contact and spray the ball all over the field to beat shifts, come into vogue again?
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:46 PM
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Imagine for a second what the Astros would have done to the Cubs' bullpen in the World Series. We would have felt sorry for the Cub fans it would have been that ugly.

Ahhh, I don't think so

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Old 11-03-2017, 11:14 AM
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I get that the Astros are an analytical organization now, but they hit on their top draft picks. That's how you make a rebuild work. They got VERY fortunate with how the Brady Aiken situation panned out too, because they were able to get Bregman the next year due to it. Having Altuve had nothing to do with analytics, and getting Verlander because he was overpriced and under-performing was a huge reason for their postseason success.

Only point is that they weren't a WS winner success story because of analytics. That is their philosophy, but that's not why they won. I'm a fan of stats, old and new, just thought I'd point it out.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:18 PM
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I get that the Astros are an analytical organization now, but they hit on their top draft picks. That's how you make a rebuild work. They got VERY fortunate with how the Brady Aiken situation panned out too, because they were able to get Bregman the next year due to it. Having Altuve had nothing to do with analytics, and getting Verlander because he was overpriced and under-performing was a huge reason for their postseason success.

Only point is that they weren't a WS winner success story because of analytics. That is their philosophy, but that's not why they won. I'm a fan of stats, old and new, just thought I'd point it out.
I’ve often said that advanced analytics are very useful but overrated because most players who are identified as valuable through analytics can also be identified as such through traditional scouting. As you point out, a good scout doesn’t need analytics to recognize Altuve’s talent.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:19 PM
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At some point, wouldn’t a hitter who can make contact and spray the ball all over the field to beat shifts, come into vogue again?
One would hope.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:07 PM
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They need to find a way to speed up the game. Too much time between pitches, too many mound visits, too many pitching changes. 3-3.5 hour games are having a detrimental effect on the sport.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:37 PM
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They need to find a way to speed up the game. Too much time between pitches, too many mound visits, too many pitching changes. 3-3.5 hour games are having a detrimental effect on the sport.
Here's your answer...less commercials.

Problem solved.

Leave the game alone.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:46 PM
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They need to find a way to speed up the game. Too much time between pitches, too many mound visits, too many pitching changes. 3-3.5 hour games are having a detrimental effect on the sport.
Amen. I love love love baseball. But even for me, it’s getting too damn long. I’ve got other things to do!
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:37 PM
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If you want a faster game enforce the rules.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:53 PM
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At some point, wouldn’t a hitter who can make contact and spray the ball all over the field to beat shifts, come into vogue again?
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One would hope.
As long as strikeouts do not matter and HR hitters are paid oodles of money guys like Oliva, Carew, Madlock, McGee, Molitor, Olerud and even guys like Lyle Overbay will be few and far between.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:12 PM
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As long as strikeouts do not matter and HR hitters are paid oodles of money guys like Oliva, Carew, Madlock, McGee, Molitor, Olerud and even guys like Lyle Overbay will be few and far between.
I guess Ichiro fell into that category, as dues Altuve now, but I wonder how guys like Boggs, Gwynn, and Brett would play in today’s game. Would they hit for such high average at the expense of power? Or would they sell out for power and strike out more, given that outfield fences are closer and there’s hardly any artificial turf.
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:20 PM
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Here's your answer...less commercials.

Problem solved.

Leave the game alone.
I think it's more complicated than that.

Take a minute off each commercial break. You're only saving 18 minutes a game (not counting shorter breaks for pitching changes).

Fundamentally what is taking longer is longer at bats. More guys trying to draw walks. Strike zone is too small. Guys not going after the first pitch. How many full counts did we see in the post season? This drags games out.
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:47 PM
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I think it's more complicated than that.

Take a minute off each commercial break. You're only saving 18 minutes a game (not counting shorter breaks for pitching changes).

Fundamentally what is taking longer is longer at bats. More guys trying to draw walks. Strike zone is too small. Guys not going after the first pitch. How many full counts did we see in the post season? This drags games out.
And catchers going to the mound every third pitch with the entire infield coming in for the chat as well.
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Old 11-04-2017, 12:40 AM
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And catchers going to the mound every third pitch with the entire infield coming in for the chat as well.
Yep. I've said for the past 15 years, the two-strike catcher's visit to the mound to try to "ice" the batter should be limited if not completely banned.
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