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Old Yesterday, 09:03 PM
Lip Man 1 Lip Man 1 is offline
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First of all - yikes! I hope you're doing okay! That really puts the anguish over Tommy John surgery into perspective in the grand scheme of things.

That being said, I totally agree. Of all the legitimate things to complain about regarding what Rick Hahn said or did or didn't do, this is not only very low on the list....it's not even on the list. So Hahn said that Dunning was going to be seen by Andrews on Monday and in the end he had TJS on Monday? And????
I imagine that a surgery of this serious and delicate nature isn't done at the drop of a hat. "Oh, hey I've got two hours today let's just get it done..."

Unfortunately I've had to share a number of doctor experiences since September. I can personally tell you they don't work like that.

That's why I brought up the Hahn question. I think he knew what was going to happen and tried to "soft peddle" it to a fan base that is getting more and more restless by the day (injury? LOL) and again as I was told by someone in the front office. If this year doesn't show improvement the pressure on the front office is going to grow by leaps and bounds.
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Old Yesterday, 09:10 PM
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I imagine that a surgery of this serious and delicate nature isn't done at the drop of a hat. "Oh, hey I've got two hours today let's just get it done..."

Unfortunately I've had to share a number of doctor experiences since September. I can personally tell you they don't work like that.

That's why I brought up the Hahn question. I think he knew what was going to happen and tried to "soft peddle" it to a fan base that is getting more and more restless by the day (injury? LOL) and again as I was told by someone in the front office. If this year doesn't show improvement the pressure on the front office is going to grow by leaps and bounds.
So, we're going to have a long debate now about why Hahn said Monday instead of Friday? What a scandal! Hahn is fudging doctor appts by a few days?

You're one of my favorite posters here Lip, but come on now.

Regardless, it's still a big blow to this team no matter how you slice it....no arguing that.
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Old Yesterday, 09:30 PM
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So, we're going to have a long debate now about why Hahn said Monday instead of Friday? What a scandal! Hahn is fudging doctor appts by a few days?

You're one of my favorite posters here Lip, but come on now.

Regardless, it's still a big blow to this team no matter how you slice it....no arguing that.

What now? I think you need to get your facts straight. White Sox doctors evaluated Dunning two weeks ago. They prescribed rest (no joke).


Either they got the diagnosis wrong or they knew it was a tear and were hoping it wasn't a sufficient enough tear to need surgery. Or worse, they were stalling the announcement until the surgery. They put him on 7 - 10 days of rest.


I've gone under the knife more than my fair share, and I'm waiting on my next surgery. Two weeks is about the fastest I've experienced between talking to the expert and going under. And that one was out-patient surgery.
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Old Yesterday, 10:21 PM
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All surgeons work differently. I have no doubt that one of the major Tommy John surgeons in the world could have had an opening in his OR schedule. A lot of them work in surgery centers or may even own them and they make their own schedule.

This isn't unheard of.
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Old Yesterday, 10:43 PM
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Dane Dunning underwent successful Tommy John surgery today per the White Sox. Dr. James Andrews performed the surgery in Pensacola Florida

ó Scott Merkin (@scottmerkin) March 18, 2019

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hahn say last week Dunning was going to see Andrews to be evaluated on Monday (originally slated for Friday)

If so, he seems to have been caught in another lie to the media / fans.

As yet another one bites the dust.
Big ****ing deal. At least the guy got the surgery done sooner than later and wasting more time like they did last season. Let's all be happy the road to recovery is officially on the clock.
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 PM
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If they somehow manage to win 70 games this season, I don't think there's anyone that wouldn't be ecstatic with that. Consider that most stat based projections - without mid-season trades, have them 8 - 10 games worse than that. With trades, 60 wins would be challenging. 70 wins would mean a ton went right for us.
I think it is optimistic that fans think we will win in the mid 60's. I think this team is worse than last year's, and I expect a high 50 win season.
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Old Yesterday, 10:54 PM
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With our window shifting, it's also almost a given this is the season we trade Rodon at the deadline. We're not winning a title by 2020, and he loses most of his value in the offseason. If we trade Santana, Rodon, Nova, Colome, and Herrera from the pitching staff, we're probably not going to win many games after the deadline.
I don't know about this. I think a completely healthy 2019 would make Rodon more valuable over the offseason than he would be at the trade deadline.
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 PM
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Old Yesterday, 11:08 PM
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I think it is optimistic that fans think we will win in the mid 60's. I think this team is worse than last year's, and I expect a high 50 win season.
This year's bullpen will be appreciably better than last year's bullpen. We are now at the point where guys like Minaya are being squeezed out of late-inning work and waived. That is a sign of progress.


As for the rotation, I think Santana and Nova will provide better combined results than Shields and the Covey/Fulmer tandem. Any progress at all by Rodon or Giolito over last year's performance also would represent an overall upgrade to the rotation.


Don't get me wrong, the pitching will be among the worst in MLB this year. However, it still will be better than last year, not worse.
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Old Yesterday, 11:37 PM
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Big ****ing deal. At least the guy got the surgery done sooner than later and wasting more time like they did last season. Let's all be happy the road to recovery is officially on the clock.
If you wanted "sooner" it should have been done last year when the issues first arose. Like I said, the Sox were hoping it wasn't needed, they gambled, they lost...yet again.

But you're right, better late than never.
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If you wanted "sooner" it should have been done last year when the issues first arose. Like I said, the Sox were hoping it wasn't needed, they gambled, they lost...yet again.

But you're right, better late than never.
Last year's MRI: no tear, no surgery

This year's MRI: tear, surgery



There was no "gamble." Despite your burning desire to find someone to blame, there is no White Sox employee who deserves blame for this. This concept of a "gamble" that you keep pushing does not become correct just because you repeat it often enough. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
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This year's bullpen will be appreciably better than last year's bullpen. We are now at the point where guys like Minaya are being squeezed out of late-inning work and waived. That is a sign of progress.


As for the rotation, I think Santana and Nova will provide better combined results than Shields and the Covey/Fulmer tandem. Any progress at all by Rodon or Giolito over last year's performance also would represent an overall upgrade to the rotation.


Don't get me wrong, the pitching will be among the worst in MLB this year. However, it still will be better than last year, not worse.

I agree, in March anyway. Not that I would go back and claim that I never agreed if the analysis is off, but when you project what pitchers will do in an upcoming season, there is always a substantially chance they will end up disappointing you.
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