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Folks just can't give this guy credit. |
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He signed Dunn at his peak. He was a long term piece. No one can come here and say that it was bad signing at the time. No one would have predicted the guy would forget to hit and get on base the minute he put on that Sox jersey. |
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Ask TDog. He won't let you forget.
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The guy's the best, maybe second best to Krause, Chicago GM of my 37 years on the planet.
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In some ways- similar to the Billy Koch acquisition- Koch sucked post All Star break the year before the Sox traded for him. No one could have guessed Dunn would be as horrible as he has been- but there were plenty of warning signs-
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But, just because a team isn't in "rebuild" mode doesn't mean they have no choice but to let the farm system go to pot. IMO, a lot of the problems the Sox are now trying to dig themselves out of today is because of their failure to develop much in the way of homegrown talent. This goes back to the early 2000s to the beginning of KW's tenure as GM and it finally caught up with the team in the last few years. This is my biggest complaint of the KW era. That being said, I don't believe this failure to develop talent is necessarily KW's fault. He works for a boss who apparently didn't believe in putting money into drafting, scouting, etc.
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Cover for an organization that was not in good shape personnel-wise when KW stepped down, so he bided his time before making changes. KW made a lot of bad moves his last few years here. Guillen managed this team to a WS - how's his reputation now? There's a change in philosophy afoot, whether you like it or not. KW has always been a good evaluator of young talent, and he's still involved heavily in that (and we can thank him for A Garcia), which is good.
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A change in philosophy? What does that even mean? Of course there's a change. We're rebuilding for the first time in 14 years.
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And retooling is a continuation of the same overall philosophy we have had...the micro aspects are different. |
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I almost forgot about the best Cuban available. Yeah, totally different than KW. |
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KW with 50 cents was a lot better GM than he was when he had the dollar. The Sox have been fortunate, at least in my lifetime to have had some very creative, hardworking GMs. Frank Lane, Ed Short (at least on the front end of his tenure) Roland Hemond and KW stand out the most for me. Frank Lane got Nellie Fox, Billy Pierce, Minnie Minoso and Sherm Lollar for next to nothing. It's hard to top that. When the Sox slid 3 years in a row after winning a pennant Ed Short revitalized the team with a block buster trade that brought Pete Ward, Hoyt Wilhelm and Ron Hansen from Baltimore. Dave Nicholson too but the other 3 made up for him. Roland Hemond, like Lane breathed new life into an organization that was near comatose. KW of course did what none of the aforementioned was able to do. Of course I respect the man, but like Ed Short he made some questionable moves the last few years. It's too early to tell, but so far I think Hahn will do well and add his name to the list of noteworthy Sox GMs who did so much to keep the Sox competitive with limited resources.
Edit: Of course I should mention Larry Himes but I was thinking more of the trading aspect of the GM position, so I brain cramped. |
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Also, as per his comments yesterday with the Bellisario signing, he's looking for pitchers that fit the ballpark profile. We have several new players and haven't traded a single real prospect yet. I see a lot of changes. |
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Lets see how this works out before crowning anyone with GM kudos.
I like what Hahn has done, but assuming that KW is not involved with every move is wrong. I also think it is a bit easier to go from the bottom to the middle than going from slightly above .500 to winning divisions. The Sox were always very competitive under KW. They always drafted late because of that....so the farm suffered. Some of the drafts did suck, tho, so there is blame to be assigned. Eaton reminds me of the Pods move, before 2005. No one was impressed, losing CLee for Pods, but Pods drove that early success that year where the Sox scored first in every game for two months, and ran off 99 wins. GM is more art than science, and putting a Pods and AJ on that WS team was no sure thing...but it worked. |
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