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Old 01-09-2018, 08:57 AM
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That’s my point. The only “criticism” anyone levies against our current crop of prospects is that the level really falls off after the top 15. But that’s not really a legitimate criticism, because the prospects ranked 16-30 in any system are very unlikely to become significant major league contributors, unless they are extremely young and haven’t yet had much of an opportunity to prove themselves.
I don't think there is any question that there are only a team or two that compete with the White Sox top 10-15. Nor any question that every teams bottom 15 are far less likely to succeed at the highest level. But let's ignore the top 15 of each team and compare the bottom 15. How do the Sox compare then? If the Sox bottom 15 is worse than a lot of other teams bottom 15 then our system isn't as deep. If our bottom 15 is still better than everyone else's bottom 15 then the criticism is nonsense.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:22 AM
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It may just be that our bottom 15 lacks those major league filler types that other teams have. Who knows really. I didn't take it as an insult.

Love what Rick has done. I didn't think BA would have had Hansen that high, they can be very conservative on movements, but good for him. He may end up top 50.
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Old 01-09-2018, 11:05 AM
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On another note, I can't wait to see what that list looks like after this year's draft. My mouth waters at the chance to see Nander De Sedas on the board at pick #4...
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:27 PM
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I am not criticizing their analysis, just not sure about the order. I get the arguments for it, though.
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:28 PM
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I don't think there is any question that there are only a team or two that compete with the White Sox top 10-15. Nor any question that every teams bottom 15 are far less likely to succeed at the highest level. But let's ignore the top 15 of each team and compare the bottom 15. How do the Sox compare then? If the Sox bottom 15 is worse than a lot of other teams bottom 15 then our system isn't as deep. If our bottom 15 is still better than everyone else's bottom 15 then the criticism is nonsense.
I think our bottom 15 is at the level or above that of other teams. We have some big ceiling types there.
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Old 01-09-2018, 04:28 PM
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I think our bottom 15 is at the level or above that of other teams. We have some big ceiling types there.
I honestly don't know. Haven't even tried any sort of comparison. But I find it hard to believe our bottom 15 are much worse than anyone else's given the overall influx of talent.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:55 PM
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impressive list. I look forward to seeing how all these guys progress in 2018 as well as the top prospects already in the big leagues. I can't wait for spring training!

Interesting that Rutherford makes the top 10 on this list, but is not projected to be part of the 2021 lineup in this article. I'm not suggesting I'm reading a ton into it - I realize that not every prospect will turn out perfectly.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:08 AM
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Interesting that Rutherford makes the top 10 on this list, but is not projected to be part of the 2021 lineup in this article. I'm not suggesting I'm reading a ton into it - I realize that not every prospect will turn out perfectly.
Projections on prospects is a little like predicting the weather: it's a good idea not to forecast too far in the future.
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Old 01-10-2018, 08:36 AM
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Projections on prospects is a little like predicting the weather: it's a good idea not to forecast too far in the future.
Maybe. But with advanced scouting, statistical analysis and decades of comparison players, forecasting is a much more precise science than it has ever been.

Rutherford's injury in 2017 hampered him and should be taken into account, but his lack of power is a bit troubling. Hopefully he will bounce back in 2018.
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:30 AM
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Maybe. But with advanced scouting, statistical analysis and decades of comparison players, forecasting is a much more precise science than it has ever been.

Rutherford's injury in 2017 hampered him and should be taken into account, but his lack of power is a bit troubling. Hopefully he will bounce back in 2018.
agreed. He is one I would trade in a nanosecond.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:55 PM
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Rutherford stays until the org can get a bead on his ability or another offers knocks your socks off.

Barring injury I am expecting a window into his ability this year.
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:33 AM
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I would be careful with the falling hype on Rutherford. The guy has all of the talent in the world, and should be given a chance to show it this year.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:35 AM
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I agree- development is not always linear. Sometimes prospects take a step or two back before moving forward.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:51 AM
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Rutherford was drafted out of high school in 2016.

2017 was his first full year of pro baseball.

I think that some people are comparing him to the relative MLB readiness of Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, Eloy, etc.

Expecting him to make an MLB debut before 2020 - and even then, September is more likely than April/May - is completely unrealistic and unfair.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:56 AM
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It isn't even the timeline that I don't like on him.

I don't think he is going to hit for power. I think he is a Ryan Sweeney type, a kid who just kind of does everything well, and might be a 270 hitter in the pros but won't scratch a .750 OPS.

Would love to be wrong, but I think he generates his power too much from his hands, and that never works in the pros.
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