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Old 01-19-2018, 11:28 AM
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This rebuild is dependend upon:

1. Yoan Moncada and Eloy Jimemez becoming monster middle-of-the-order hitters
I would also add Luis Robert to that list. And further, I would say that of those three players, one or two of them need to pan out to be stars. Also, all the other position players need to be at least average or better--not scrubs (and on that note, they should also go out and get one of Machado or Donaldson to help take pressure off the other non-star players). If that all pans out, and the pitching stays healthy, then I think the Sox got a shot.

Also, I know I'm in the very small minority here, but I don't see Moncada as much more than a middling-to-low average, slugging 2B with great range and a good glove--which is really good for the position, don't get me wrong. I just don't see "star" in his future until he can prove he can consistently hit a damned breaking ball. Ergo, I'm not counting on him being as much of a cornerstone as Eloy and Robert need to be.
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:13 PM
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I would also add Luis Robert to that list. And further, I would say that of those three players, one or two of them need to pan out to be stars. Also, all the other position players need to be at least average or better--not scrubs (and on that note, they should also go out and get one of Machado or Donaldson to help take pressure off the other non-star players). If that all pans out, and the pitching stays healthy, then I think the Sox got a shot.

Also, I know I'm in the very small minority here, but I don't see Moncada as much more than a middling-to-low average, slugging 2B with great range and a good glove--which is really good for the position, don't get me wrong. I just don't see "star" in his future until he can prove he can consistently hit a damned breaking ball. Ergo, I'm not counting on him being as much of a cornerstone as Eloy and Robert need to be.
Outside of his terrible 12 game start with the Sox in July, the next 2 months he was an over .800 OPS player. Pretty damn good for a rookie and nothing to be discouraged about. His patience at the plate this early is very rare also. He is only going to build on his brief MLB experience, lots to be excited for. I envision him as a .275/.375/.500 type player when he fully adjusts to MLB pitching. That's a player who will see a few all star appearances.
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:16 PM
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I think if the sox agreed to take on prado's & castros contract they could get Yelich for rutherford an some lower level guys. No way do you trade jimenez
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:25 PM
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I would add Luis Robert to the untouchable list and perhaps to the middle of the order monster list in #1. Otherwise completely agree with all of this.
The only reason I left Robert off is because he isnít as close to the majors as the other four, and there may be a hypothetical blockbuster trade he can headline (think Sale-for Moncada) before he is major-league ready if the team starts succeeding ahead of schedule.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:38 PM
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The only reason I left Robert off is because he isnít as close to the majors as the other four, and there may be a hypothetical blockbuster trade he can headline (think Sale-for Moncada) before he is major-league ready if the team starts succeeding ahead of schedule.
Some are thinking of the possibility of he even starting at AA Birmingham.

I think Robert is closer than most think, even with the lack of pro ball experience.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:51 PM
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This is the first I have heard of this. Do you have links to support this?

A recent Merkin article says this about Collins instructional league work:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/za...ct/c-264820036

...but, your saying they were rebuilding his swing. Do you have any source to refute what Merkin and Sox coaches are saying?

I also haven't heard that Collins has a Beckham-ish hitch in his swing. Can others who follow the minors more closely than I do confirm this?
I am literally slammed at work and only have a 2 minute mental break, but I know for a fact I heard a sound bite where Collins called his new swing awkward feeling.

Here is a quick article, one of many, on his hand issues - https://theathletic.com/82151/2017/0...rget-about-it/
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:20 PM
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So a hitch is where you cock the head of your bat toward the pitcher? What is the advantage of having such a swing?

And to be fair, if that is his natural swing, of course any change is going to feel awkward. I hope he works it out, and he has some time to do it.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:58 PM
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So a hitch is where you cock the head of your bat toward the pitcher? What is the advantage of having such a swing?

And to be fair, if that is his natural swing, of course any change is going to feel awkward. I hope he works it out, and he has some time to do it.
The hitch just refers to the extra load, or drop and tuck of the hands during the swing. Its a power generating move that good hitters get away with in high school, great hitters get away with in College and virtually no one can get away with in the pros. The problem is, for many, it is such a natural motion they can never drop it. However, many adjust just fine.
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:10 AM
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So a hitch is where you cock the head of your bat toward the pitcher? What is the advantage of having such a swing?

And to be fair, if that is his natural swing, of course any change is going to feel awkward. I hope he works it out, and he has some time to do it.
Bonds, Sheffield, and Justin Turner are a few people with a hitch that come to mind. Take that as you want...

It can be a great timing device for some hitters.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:55 AM
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The Phil Rogers article is a complete joke- trade away significant, young talent for Yelich?

We have pretty good outfield depth at all levels of the system- with an assumption that Jimenez and Robert are in the "2020" outfield- losing a lot of talent for that 3rd outfielder is a big over pay IMHO.

The main position that does not (currently) project to be filled from within the organization is 3rd base- but Jake Burger's offseason conditioning looks promising, so we'll see how that looks after the 2018 season.

Stay the course for now- add more talent through this year's draft, maybe a few trade flips at the deadline, and see how development of the "Top 30" prospects goes this year- then begin to look outside for big acquisitions via trade or FA signing next off season.
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Old 01-21-2018, 02:17 AM
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Bonds, Sheffield, and Justin Turner are a few people with a hitch that come to mind. Take that as you want...

It can be a great timing device for some hitters.
Babe Ruth had a hitch.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:43 PM
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Babe Ruth had a hitch.
And a paunch.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:29 PM
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And a paunch.
And a launch!
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:10 PM
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Bonds, Sheffield, and Justin Turner are a few people with a hitch that come to mind. Take that as you want...

It can be a great timing device for some hitters.
While true, the vast majority of hitters can't get away with it. Turner hit .322 in the bigs, Collins hit .229 split between A/AA. Collins needs to fix his swing.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:27 AM
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I hope they don't F him up even more. The Sox don't have much history of "fixing" hitters.

And honestly, if his defense is solid (all the talk last year of it improving dramatically), I would drool over a .230 hitting catcher that gives me 25 dingers and 100 walks each year. Especially one that we can control for 5-6 years.
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