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Old 08-06-2017, 08:04 PM
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I don't want to draft any high school player with the #1 pick. Given the level of competition there is just not enough to go on. Give me the best college bat.
Agreed: you do not reach when you have the number one pick in the draft.
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Agreed: you do not reach when you have the number one pick in the draft.
Harold Baines says..."hello!" High school player...#1 overall pick in the draft. It's about talent, not where you went to school or if you went to college in my opinion.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:50 PM
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A high school player could make sense in that he would be part of the Second Wave (approx 2021/2022) to arrive.
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Old 08-07-2017, 09:00 AM
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A high school player could make sense in that he would be part of the Second Wave (approx 2021/2022) to arrive.
In fact, I seem to remember Hahn (or someone else from the Sox organization) talking about this very same idea, and how it will affect the team's draft philosophy moving forward.
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Old 08-07-2017, 09:09 AM
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High schoolers who have been No. 1 picks in MLB draft. The # sign indicates they were an All-Star.

The track record for picking a HS player at No. 1 is pretty good.

1966 -- Steve Chilcott, C
1967-- Ron Blomberg, 1B
1968 -- Tim Foli, SS
1969 -- #Jeff Burroughs, OF
1970 -- Mike Ivie, C
1971 -- Danny Goodwin (did not sign) -- Chicago White Sox, C
1973 -- David Clyde, P
1977 -- #Harold Baines, Chicago White Sox, OF
1979 -- Al Chambers, OF
1980 -- #Darryl Strawberry, OF
1982 -- #Shawon Dunston, SS
1984 -- Shawn Abner, OF
1987 -- #Ken Griffey Jr., OF
1990 -- #Chipper Jones, SS
1991 -- Brien Taylor, P
1993 -- #Alex Rodriguez, SS
1999 -- #Josh Hamilton, OF
2000 -- #Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
2001 -- #Joe Mauer, C
2003 -- Delmon Young, OF
2004 -- Matt Bush, SS
2005 -- #Justin Upton, SS
2008 -- Tim Beckham, SS
2012 -- Carlos Correa, SS
2014 -- Brady Aiken (did not sign), P
2016 -- Mickey Moniak, OF
2017 -- Royce Lewis, SS
# All-star
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:02 AM
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A high school player could make sense in that he would be part of the Second Wave (approx 2021/2022) to arrive.

I would prefer to constantly draft best available. If that's high school, then you draft it. You want to build a farm that will create a self-sustainable system.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:06 AM
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I would prefer to constantly draft best available. If that's high school, then you draft it. You want to build a farm that will create a self-sustainable system.
Exactly...college or high school, pitcher or position player, just take the best player.
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High schoolers who have been No. 1 picks in MLB draft. The # sign indicates they were an All-Star.

The track record for picking a HS player at No. 1 is pretty good.

1966 -- Steve Chilcott, C
1967-- Ron Blomberg, 1B
1968 -- Tim Foli, SS
1969 -- #Jeff Burroughs, OF
1970 -- Mike Ivie, C
1971 -- Danny Goodwin (did not sign) -- Chicago White Sox, C
1973 -- David Clyde, P
1977 -- #Harold Baines, Chicago White Sox, OF
1979 -- Al Chambers, OF
1980 -- #Darryl Strawberry, OF
1982 -- #Shawon Dunston, SS
1984 -- Shawn Abner, OF
1987 -- #Ken Griffey Jr., OF
1990 -- #Chipper Jones, SS
1991 -- Brien Taylor, P
1993 -- #Alex Rodriguez, SS
1999 -- #Josh Hamilton, OF
2000 -- #Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
2001 -- #Joe Mauer, C
2003 -- Delmon Young, OF
2004 -- Matt Bush, SS
2005 -- #Justin Upton, SS
2008 -- Tim Beckham, SS
2012 -- Carlos Correa, SS
2014 -- Brady Aiken (did not sign), P
2016 -- Mickey Moniak, OF
2017 -- Royce Lewis, SS
# All-star
Carlos Correa was an All Star this year.

Impressive list.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:21 PM
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High schoolers who have been No. 1 picks in MLB draft. The # sign indicates they were an All-Star.

The track record for picking a HS player at No. 1 is pretty good.

1966 -- Steve Chilcott, C
1967-- Ron Blomberg, 1B
1968 -- Tim Foli, SS
1969 -- #Jeff Burroughs, OF
1970 -- Mike Ivie, C
1971 -- Danny Goodwin (did not sign) -- Chicago White Sox, C
1973 -- David Clyde, P
1977 -- #Harold Baines, Chicago White Sox, OF
1979 -- Al Chambers, OF
1980 -- #Darryl Strawberry, OF
1982 -- #Shawon Dunston, SS
1984 -- Shawn Abner, OF
1987 -- #Ken Griffey Jr., OF
1990 -- #Chipper Jones, SS
1991 -- Brien Taylor, P
1993 -- #Alex Rodriguez, SS
1999 -- #Josh Hamilton, OF
2000 -- #Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
2001 -- #Joe Mauer, C
2003 -- Delmon Young, OF
2004 -- Matt Bush, SS
2005 -- #Justin Upton, SS
2008 -- Tim Beckham, SS
2012 -- Carlos Correa, SS
2014 -- Brady Aiken (did not sign), P
2016 -- Mickey Moniak, OF
2017 -- Royce Lewis, SS
# All-star
Interesting list. 27 players and only are 3 pitchers - 2 of whom were huge busts and 1 who didn't sign.

As someone who is not at all sold on Tim Anderson, Brice Turang is an intriguing prospect. He's trending towards the top overall pick but of course that can change.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:41 PM
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Interesting list. 27 players and only are 3 pitchers - 2 of whom were huge busts and 1 who didn't sign.

As someone who is not at all sold on Tim Anderson, Brice Turang is an intriguing prospect. He's trending towards the top overall pick but of course that can change.
Yeah I'm not at all sold on Anderson.

If Beer has himself another impressive season in '18, that's who I want. We can fit him in at LF, RF, 1B, DH, so there's some flexibility there.

I also have interest in Turang and Nick Madrigal the SS from Oregon St.

Please no pitcher that high in the draft.
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:17 PM
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Agreed: you do not reach when you have the number one pick in the draft.
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Harold Baines says..."hello!" High school player...#1 overall pick in the draft. It's about talent, not where you went to school or if you went to college in my opinion.
Paul Molitor says "hello" back.

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Old 08-07-2017, 08:18 PM
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Paul Molitor says "hello" back.
You lost me there.

I assume he wasn't a reach, was he a high school draft pick?
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:27 PM
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You lost me there.

I assume he wasn't a reach, was he a high school draft pick?
3rd player chosen... out of college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_M...Baseball_draft

I can only assume an attempt to say a college guy should have been picked instead. I'm perfectly happy with the career Baines put in for us.

If you look at that year only 5 of 26 1st round picks were out of college.

No regrets on Baines... the best hitter not in the Hall.
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3rd player chosen... out of college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_M...Baseball_draft

I can only assume an attempt to say a college guy should have been picked instead. I'm perfectly happy with the career Baines put in for us.

If you look at that year only 5 of 26 1st round picks were out of college.

No regrets on Baines... the best hitter not in the Hall.
Yeah, considering all the stiffs the Sox have drafted over the years, I have no regrets over them selecting a player who eventually had his number retired by the team.

Interestingly, 3 of the top 12 picks that year ended up playing for the Sox. Also, the 54th and 58th picks eventually played for the Sox not to mention the guy picked in the 5th round (106th overall) who just entered Cooperstown about a week ago.
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Old 08-08-2017, 04:53 AM
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I am happy with Baines too. One of my favorites of all time and a great right fielder until he hurt his knee.

Baines, IMO, is one of the best hitters not in the HOF.

My point is Baines was a reach at number one.
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