Official White Sox Offseason Moves Thread

[nut_stock]

Originally Posted by longtimefan

Bruce Levine said Strasburg is still owed $100M over 4 years but the kicker is in year 4 (2023) he gets $45M. That might be tough depending on other contracts. If I was negotiating, I would reverse the contract and pay him the big bucks now (year 1 and year 2 maybe) while we have financial flexibility.

We definitely need 1 front end starter, but I’d be happy if we also signed Odorizzi as a mid rotation guy. ( hopefully he is up to the task tonight in game 3). I’m also biased since he graduated from my old High school.

[HomeFish]

Originally Posted by longtimefan

Bruce Levine said Strasburg is still owed $100M over 4 years but the kicker is in year 4 (2023) he gets $45M. That might be tough depending on other contracts. If I was negotiating, I would reverse the contract and pay him the big bucks now (year 1 and year 2 maybe) while we have financial flexibility.

To be fair, if he opts out, none of that matters. He could theoretically be forced to settle for less than his current deal if that's the way the market is.

[A. Cavatica]

Originally Posted by HomeFish

To be fair, if he opts out, none of that matters. He could theoretically be forced to settle for less than his current deal if that's the way the market is.

Correct. If he opts out, he negotiates a new contract with someone. It can be front-loaded, back-loaded, whatever.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by HomeFish

To be fair, if he opts out, none of that matters. He could theoretically be forced to settle for less than his current deal if that's the way the market is.

Sure, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's going to top $100M over 4.


Another thing to keep in mind...His current deal is heavily deferred. He's owed $100 million for the next four seasons, but by the end of the deal he'll only see $60M of it. $40M of it is paid over the next five years after the deal. So it's worth a lot less.

It's an easy opt out for him.

[HomeFish]

Are front-loaded contracts actually a thing? Like, anyone who has taken an introductory finance class can tell you that the Sox SHOULD be front-loading deals to FAs right now and FAs should be preferring those deals, but I can't think of a single deal where a guy earns like $35 million in year 1 and $15 million in year 5.

Does the union not allow that?

[Mohoney]

Originally Posted by HomeFish

Are front-loaded contracts actually a thing? Like, anyone who has taken an introductory finance class can tell you that the Sox SHOULD be front-loading deals to FAs right now and FAs should be preferring those deals, but I can't think of a single deal where a guy earns like $35 million in year 1 and $15 million in year 5.

Does the union not allow that?

Jake Arrieta’s deal with the Phillies was $30/$25/$20 as it progressed.

[blurry]

Originally Posted by A. Cavatica

Castellanos: I'm not crazy about signing a defensive liability, but I like his relative youth. He'd be OK on a short contract.

Calhoun: Strikes out too much. He'd be OK on a one year deal.

Dickerson: A defensive liability and I don't trust players coming from the NL to perform for us. OK with reservations on a one year deal.

Puig: Clubhouse cancer. Hell no.

Grandal: Sure, but are we going to win the bidding war?

Martinez: I don't like the idea of going in big on a DH before we sort out the pitching staff and catcher's spot. Would be a big defensive liability in right.

Cole: Sure, but are we going to win the bidding war?

Strasburg: Sure, but are we going to win the bidding war?

Wheeler, Odorizzi: Fine pickups for the middle/backend starter we need. Neither is the frontend starter we need.

I'd take Puig over Castellanos or Calhoun as both are bad (real bad) at defense. I wouldn't even bother with Calhoun for a single year. Castellanos
would be fine for a DH but nothing else. Dickerson is regressing into backup territory. Grandal is going to cost a fortune for above average production.

The only this team wins a bidding war for Cole or Strasburg is if they were embarrassed enough by the entire nation making fun of their half-assed efforts to get Machado last offseason.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by blurry

I'd take Puig over Castellanos or Calhoun as both are bad (real bad) at defense. I wouldn't even bother with Calhoun for a single year. Castellanos
would be fine for a DH but nothing else. Dickerson is regressing into backup territory. Grandal is going to cost a fortune for above average production.

The only this team wins a bidding war for Cole or Strasburg is if they were embarrassed enough by the entire nation making fun of their half-assed efforts to get Machado last offseason.

Puig strikes as a guy who will end up being a net negative on whichever team he plays one.

[HomeFish]

I was high on Puig earlier but he sucked this year. I don't care about his off the field stuff, just as a hitter he has not been good this year. Marcel Ozuna is the outfield FA I want.

[A. Cavatica]

Originally Posted by blurry

I'd take Puig over Castellanos or Calhoun as both are bad (real bad) at defense. I wouldn't even bother with Calhoun for a single year.

Calhoun won a Gold Glove in right in 2015 (although Baseball Reference had him at 0.1 dWAR that year) and his numbers haven't changed much. It doesn't look to me like his defense would be a problem. It's his offense that underwhelms me.

I don't want Puig, period.

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by Chez

Tilson had committed to play at the University of Illinois before he was drafted in the second round by St. Louis. As an incentive to forego college, the Cardinals agreed to pay for Tilson's college tuition, room and board, whenever his professional baseball career ends. Charlie will be fine. If he ends up at Home Depot, he won't be stacking bags of mulch.

The kid is from New Trier, he probably owns a Home or two already.

Oh, the Cards gave him a 1.275M signing bonus when he was drafted.

[Grzegorz]

The obvious answer for RF is Avisail Garcia.

[A. Cavatica]

Originally Posted by Grzegorz

The obvious answer for RF is Avisail Garcia.

The obvious answer to what? How to fill the position without considering good baseball players?

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by Grzegorz

The obvious answer for RF is Avisail Garcia.

Originally Posted by A. Cavatica

The obvious answer to what? How to fill the position without considering good baseball players?

Why? Because he goes to a team with a Metrodome-style stadium and suddenly becomes a hitter?

I've been to many game at the old Metrodome. A three year old in a wheelchair can get a hit in that place.

He is playing where he should be, it will earn him good money.

[Grzegorz]

Not bad for what would be a bridge to the near future.


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