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Old 07-02-2019, 09:54 PM
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Many teams manage their young players like this. It’s fine.
If I saw specific examples of nearly-identical situations, I probably would draw the same conclusions.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:40 PM
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I would rather see Collins get a live look at one of the division’s elite pitchers this year, when wins and losses shouldn’t matter.
No worries there’s 3 months left in the season.
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:24 PM
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No worries there’s 3 months left in the season.
No guarantee you will see Boyd again.

Rondon sucks. Renteria sucks for playing him.
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:54 PM
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No guarantee you will see Boyd again.

Rondon sucks. Renteria sucks for playing him.
Man- Mendick must really not have any shot if he can't earn a call up with TA out and Rondon hitting .188
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:19 AM
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Man- Mendick must really not have any shot if he can't earn a call up with TA out and Rondon hitting .188
I thought the same thing.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:30 AM
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95% I'm pretty deeply patient and tend to not get too bothered either way by day to day lineup decisions, but I do get some of the angst here. It is rather frustrating watching players who suck getting thrown out there every day punching a hole in a team that might not be too bad otherwise, particularly when there are other players available who might not suck. Even if the chance of someone like Mendick doing anything isn't super high, I'm more certain that the odds Rondon and Palka suddenly turn into productive big leaguers are at this point lower.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:46 AM
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If Collins is the DH and McCann has to leave the game, we lose our DH spot. That happened a couple of weeks ago. IIRC, Castillo got the heave-ho and McCann had been our DH that day.

In '07 I was at a game against the Twins where Mauer was DH and Redmond was Catching. In the First Inning a swing by Thome caught the back of Redmond's head and he had to leave the game for stiches. The Twins lost the DH for the entire game because Mauer had to catch.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:59 AM
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95% I'm pretty deeply patient and tend to not get too bothered either way by day to day lineup decisions, but I do get some of the angst here. It is rather frustrating watching players who suck getting thrown out there every day punching a hole in a team that might not be too bad otherwise, particularly when there are other players available who might not suck. Even if the chance of someone like Mendick doing anything isn't super high, I'm more certain that the odds Rondon and Palka suddenly turn into productive big leaguers are at this point lower.
If both of those guys are here til September without producing I owe you a lemon cookie. Actually Rondon has produced just fine afield with several sparklers at 3B for Yoan.
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95% I'm pretty deeply patient and tend to not get too bothered either way by day to day lineup decisions, but I do get some of the angst here. It is rather frustrating watching players who suck getting thrown out there every day punching a hole in a team that might not be too bad otherwise, particularly when there are other players available who might not suck. Even if the chance of someone like Mendick doing anything isn't super high, I'm more certain that the odds Rondon and Palka suddenly turn into productive big leaguers are at this point lower.
I don't see any need for Palka to be on the roster- we have 2 other LH hitting outfielders ahead of him in Jay and Tilson, and I'd rather see Collins get the ABs at DH vs. RHP. Bring up Mercedes and solve two problems- a better DH option than Rondon vs. LHP and you have an emergency catcher available to avoid losing the DH on days when both McCann and Collins are in the line up.

It's not perfect- but he's a year younger than Palka, so in a rebuild year- see what he can do as an option for 2020- when you may have the same issue of needing that 3rd "emergency" catcher in the mix.
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:39 AM
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Jay is off to a nice start, but they need to trade him. Tilson and Cordell just can't hit. Rondon can't either, but he can also play IF and OF. All 3 of those guys is a little much. One thing I like about all 3 is that they aren't the worst walkers in the world, despite having no power.
Palka should get a couple of more weeks, but a peek at Mercedes would be interesting. Mendick too.

I'd like to seem more churn with Charlotte for the back half of the bullpen as well.

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Old 07-03-2019, 12:14 PM
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If I saw specific examples of nearly-identical situations, I probably would draw the same conclusions.
Alex Verdugo came immediately to mind. I'll find some others.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:43 PM
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If he’s not ready for the rigors of major league baseball, then he should still be in the minors. The last thing he should be doing is sitting on the bench to play a platoon advantage with Jose Rondon.

I’m bent out of shape because it’s just stupid as all hell.
Collins is here for the long haul. Nothing wrong with letting him wade in.
Rondon, Tilson, Cordell and Palka need to be vetted because there won't be roster spots for them for long if they aren't keepers; and the only way to do that is top play them.
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If Collins is the DH and McCann has to leave the game, we lose our DH spot. That happened a couple of weeks ago. IIRC, Castillo got the heave-ho and McCann had been our DH that day.

In '07 I was at a game against the Twins where Mauer was DH and Redmond was Catching. In the First Inning a swing by Thome caught the back of Redmond's head and he had to leave the game for stiches. The Twins lost the DH for the entire game because Mauer had to catch.
So twice in the last 12 years it’s been an issue and once was because an idiot couldn’t shut up. I don’t think this should be a huge part of the consideration. Statistically baseball players just don’t get it njured that often in game.

That doesn’t change my thinking that they shouldn’t force Collins into uncomfortable situations this early in his call up, but injury risk seems minimal and the team can cope if it happened. Pitchers are already hitting regularly throughout the season anyway.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:51 PM
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Jay is off to a nice start, but they need to trade him. Tilson and Cordell just can't hit. Rondon can't either, but he can also play IF and OF. All 3 of those guys is a little much. One thing I like about all 3 is that they aren't the worst walkers in the world, despite having no power.
Palka should get a couple of more weeks, but a peek at Mercedes would be interesting. Mendick too.

I'd like to seem more churn with Charlotte for the back half of the bullpen as well.
As Josh Nelson of SoxMachine pointed out on Twitter, there’s a lot of chaff on the 40-man roster that probably doesn’t figure to be here in 2020. I’d like to see a lot of it gone, too. I would like to think the Sox are in evaluation mode for a lot of these players, as there are numerous others (drafted out of college in 2016 or from high school in 2015) who will need to be added to the 40-man roster or else be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. That may explain why Rondón is getting at bats while Collins is not, for instance. Anyway, here is the list of who likely can be purged:

Jay (FA)
Cordell
Tilson
Engel
Rondon
Castillo (FA)
Jones
Detwiler
Cordero
Nova (FA)
Banuelos
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As Josh Nelson of SoxMachine pointed out on Twitter, there’s a lot of chaff on the 40-man roster that probably doesn’t figure to be here in 2020. I’d like to see a lot of it gone, too. I would like to think the Sox are in evaluation mode for a lot of these players, as there are numerous others (drafted out of college in 2016 or from high school in 2015) who will need to be added to the 40-man roster or else be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. That may explain why Rondón is getting at bats while Collins is not, for instance. Anyway, here is the list of who likely can be purged:

Jay (FA)
Cordell
Tilson
Engel
Rondon
Castillo (FA)
Jones
Detwiler
Cordero
Nova (FA)
Banuelos
On that list, I would keep Engel. Medeiros should be on this list as well, although is showing some signs of improvement. Maybe Banuelos. Not sure how many spots they are going to need, but probably a lot.
Cordero is one of the guys I want them to bring up soon! He was horrible with the Nats AAA team, but he's been lights out in Charlotte.
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