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View Poll Results: Dunn is the biggest Sox bust since......?
Alex Rios 15 5.81%
Nick Swisher 28 10.85%
Brian Anderson 7 2.71%
Billy Koch 41 15.89%
Jaime Navarro 36 13.95%
Albert Belle 11 4.26%
Steve Sax 12 4.65%
SportsVision 16 6.20%
Blue seats at New Comiskey 17 6.59%
Cory Snyder 3 1.16%
Other 15 5.81%
THIS POLL SUCKS CHURROS 57 22.09%
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:47 PM
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Actually, Gordon was doubted by some. Plenty felt in college that he generated a good deal of his power from the hitch in his swing which would not play well in the pros. Personally would have taken Smoak but those 2 were a coinflip at that point.
Didn't he have way more success in the majors with the hitch in his swing?
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:38 PM
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More like Cory Snyder.
Cory Snyder only has one vote in this poll, but I do remember him being a total flop for the White Sox. At least we didn't give up much to get him:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...nydeco02.shtml

Oh, and as of this morning:
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:06 PM
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Cory Snyder only has one vote in this poll, but I do remember him being a total flop for the White Sox. At least we didn't give up much to get him:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...nydeco02.shtml

Oh, and as of this morning:

This was my first game at new Comiskey:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...99105070.shtml

I have very fond memories of Cory Synder striking out four times that game. I was in eighth grade and my brother was in sixth. My Dad didn't want to wait any longer and we left after the 11th. We saw fireworks just as we got to our car. We found out Sosa hit a walk off HR in the bottom of the 12th.
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Old 06-22-2011, 04:14 PM
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Bell actually led the Sox in RBI's (not Big Hurt) in 92 with 112 and I think he had something like almost 70 RBI's in 93 despite missing a decent amount of time with a leg injury, if memory serves.

Nellie's right, I'd take either of those from Dunn right now myself.

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Old 06-23-2011, 12:20 AM
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Bill:

George Bell. Albert didn't come along until 1997.

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And there was a pretty good reason Cory was a bust.

Read the interview with him at WSI. Apparently the issue was him and Hriniak and he mentions some other Sox players who couldn't stand him. Not saying it justifies anything, he should still have performed but apparently things were pretty bad:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/r...ory=11&id=1689

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Old 06-23-2011, 01:00 AM
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We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.
I'm opposed to booing players on your own team (except for dogging it) and I want Dunn to succeed now that he's here, but a standing ovation? No way.
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:50 AM
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We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.
If he's trying I can't really tell. Last quote I heard was that he won't let anyone help him with his mechanics - because he's always just felt it out. Sounds like Brian Anderson.

He also came in with a defeatist attitude about this DH thing and I feel like he's brought this on himself. I'll cheer when he contributes to the team. This isn't a young Borchard struggling in the minors to make a name for himself - this is a paid professional who should know at the very least how to hit a dead red fastball.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:37 AM
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Biggest bust since the Edsel.
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:09 AM
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If he's trying I can't really tell. Last quote I heard was that he won't let anyone help him with his mechanics - because he's always just felt it out. Sounds like Brian Anderson.

He also came in with a defeatist attitude about this DH thing and I feel like he's brought this on himself. I'll cheer when he contributes to the team. This isn't a young Borchard struggling in the minors to make a name for himself - this is a paid professional who should know at the very least how to hit a dead red fastball.
Based on Dunn's career stats- I'm not convinced he's worth the money even if he's performing at career average (too many strike outs, too low of a batting average w/RISP- just my opinion).

But I'm not very impressed with his overall approach- doesn't touch a bat all winter, doesn't seem to put much effort into conditioning- might have been OK when he was younger- but at age 31 could be an issue, "hadn't thought about" not being able to hit in NL parks in interleague play, interview yesterday, he said "it's just an occupation- not going to define me as a person"- or something like that, way too much angst over the DH role.

When you sign a contract for $54M- I would hope you step up your work ethic, your conditioning, etc.- I am not optimistic at all that he'll return to his career norms this year. Age, different league/better pitching, DH role- and a June that is as bad as April or May.
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OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:46 AM
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OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora
Yes you can pass up the HR counts- Rob Deer was a good example- with all the other wasted ABs that come with it- and combined with the number of hackers/free swingers already in the line up. Personally- what I want most from a DH is a good batting average w/RISP. The best DHs we've had (Thome, Thomas, Baines, Luzinski) all had batting averages around .280+ w/RISP- Dunn's career of .235 w/RISP has been a red flag since the Sox started looking at acquiring him last summer.

A month is a slump- we're almost to the All Star break and he's looked as bad in June as he did in April and May- no sign of improvement.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:59 AM
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Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:36 PM
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Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?

Only his hitting coach knows for sure and right now I'm not sure of that even.
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Old 06-23-2011, 04:40 PM
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OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora
That's if you believe the hr is that important. I for one think it is the single most overrated statistic out there. Especially if it comes with no one on base and in pyric victories. I would rather have a high average contact hitter who can put the ball in play (less than 40 k's a year), hit behind runners, is able to steal bases and be a leader in the clubhouse.
What I don't want is a Ryan Howard, Adam Dunn designated out who strand runners on base the like they're allergic to oxygen. I want to hear, they work out in the offseason and try to improve their craft when they make more than the budget of the local school district. Pick up a damn bat during the offseason and try. It's part of what endeared so many to frank was his desire to get better. The humbleness of a thome to admit mistakes. He's an ass as far as I'm concerned. Send it to the minors to learn some work ethic. This is the blue collar southside. We work hard for our money, and we expect him to also. He's lazy and I have NO IDEA why anyone would want him on their team.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:00 AM
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Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?
Article in Sun Times today - Walk says he has bat speed and a fantstic eye. They are working on pitch recognition and picking his pitch - but that's not the problem.

Walker says the problem is simple and is in his stance - needs to open up his body to hit.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/61234...out-slump.html

Thing I caught is he used the word "trying" when discussing getting Dunn to get his body ready - as if he isn't taking advice.
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