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Old 11-21-2017, 09:48 PM
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Wow. They really lowered the hammer on the Braves. I suspect it is as much to make an example of them and discourage other teams from doing the same as it is just punishment for their transgressions.

The article says that teams can use this years international free agent money and dip into next years pool but it does not say that signing these free agents is under the international rules. I guess it is implied but it is not stated. Nor does it say whether the restrictions already on the Sox and other teams apply to these guys. I am assuming so but it seems kind of unfair as we weren't under those restrictions when these guys were first available.

Does anyone know for sure what the rules governing their signing will be?

Has anyone seen a list of the full dozen?
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Old 11-21-2017, 09:56 PM
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Answering one of my two questions... this article on the Braves MLB.com page has the list of players:

http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...picId=27118140

It also states in regard to the rules governing the signing of these free agents...

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The procedures governing the players' release and the signing process will be communicated to MLB Clubs under separate cover.
... which makes me think they may not be exactly the ones used for international signings. We'll see.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:55 PM
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Will the Braves still be responsible for paying whatever difference there may be between these players’ new contracts and the contracts voided by MLB? It doesn’t seem fair to punish players by reducing their bonuses.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:38 AM
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:58 AM
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Will the Braves still be responsible for paying whatever difference there may be between these players’ new contracts and the contracts voided by MLB? It doesn’t seem fair to punish players by reducing their bonuses.
From my understanding, the players will keep their original bonuses without forfeiting anything.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:50 AM
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Will the Braves still be responsible for paying whatever difference there may be between these players’ new contracts and the contracts voided by MLB? It doesn’t seem fair to punish players by reducing their bonuses.
Yes.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...oses-prospects

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In total, Atlanta takes a $16.48 million loss in bonuses given to prospects who will no longer be with the organization.
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Old 11-22-2017, 12:20 PM
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More information on how this is going to work for the other teams in signing these players.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/inte...sDHE0lGDmYY.97

The White Sox will be limited to a max signing bonus of $500,000 counting against next years pool as this years pool is pretty much depleted. The $500,000 consists of the Sox current $300,000 limit plus $200,000 that every team can use without counting against their pool. At least, that is the way I read it. It could be they are still limited to $300,000 but only $100,000 would count against their overall pool money.

In any event, the Sox might sign some of the lesser players but are unlikely to sign one of higher ranked prospects unless that player really, really, really wants to sign with the Sox. They get to keep their bonus from the Braves so it doesn't necessarily have to be about maxing out the money for these kids. It's ALL bonus dollars for them.

EDIT: The article also gives a little more info on the prospect rankings of each of these kids.
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Old 11-22-2017, 05:33 PM
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More information on how this is going to work for the other teams in signing these players.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/inte...sDHE0lGDmYY.97

The White Sox will be limited to a max signing bonus of $500,000 counting against next years pool as this years pool is pretty much depleted. The $500,000 consists of the Sox current $300,000 limit plus $200,000 that every team can use without counting against their pool. At least, that is the way I read it. It could be they are still limited to $300,000 but only $100,000 would count against their overall pool money.

In any event, the Sox might sign some of the lesser players but are unlikely to sign one of higher ranked prospects unless that player really, really, really wants to sign with the Sox. They get to keep their bonus from the Braves so it doesn't necessarily have to be about maxing out the money for these kids. It's ALL bonus dollars for them.

EDIT: The article also gives a little more info on the prospect rankings of each of these kids.
Since they already got their signing bonuses the first time around it would be nice if MLB just leveled the playing field and made the signing of these particular players outside the normal system with everybody capped at a certain amount (say $500K). That way the kids still double dip to a certain extent but they get to choose who to sign with. That still may not be the Sox, but we'd have a better shot at Maitan and Gutierrez.

Unless Rick Hahn sells the kid on a quick rise and open shot at MLB and to come up with the next wave of prospects for a big run...I don't see it happening.
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:45 PM
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The Braves are so ****ed.

Well, at least they have a shiny, new stadium.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:04 PM
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Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal 2h2 hours ago


Source confirms: #Angels have agreed to terms with IF Kevin Maitan, the top player the #Braves sacrificed after violating MLB rules for international signings. First: @Buster_ESPN.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:48 PM
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Manfred also talked more today on the Braves situation and noted that while the organization as a whole co-operated with MLB and the investigation, Coppolella didn't and lied...which is why he was banned for life.
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