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Old 07-04-2018, 09:38 PM
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Default *Official* 7/4 I Miss The OK Covey Postgame

That hope that Dylan had changed something seems over.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:46 PM
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Whatever Covey had working for him a couple weeks ago has departed. Leadoff walks seem to kill him.


Let the Jeanmar Gomez experiment begin. Let the Chris Volstead experiment mercifully end.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:54 PM
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Whatever Covey had working for him a couple weeks ago has departed. Leadoff walks seem to kill him.


Let the Jeanmar Gomez experiment begin. Let the Chris Volstead experiment mercifully end.
If I had to pick a reliever to jettison, I would pick Bruce Rondon first, but Chris Volstad is only a mouse fart away from joining him.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:58 PM
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I know it's rebuilding and bonehead managerial decisions don't matter ect, ect. However, Renteria leaving Abreu in to run in the 8th when he had just fouled a pitch off his already hurt ankle has got to be one of the dumbest moves a Sox manager has ever made. I don't believe that to be hyperbole either. Having Jose get thrown out at the plate was embarrassing but I was more than pissed when for a moment it looked like the slide might have caused further damage to him.



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Old 07-04-2018, 10:04 PM
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Covey is back to normal.

To me I'd love to know who made the decision to send Jose' in the 8th inning, down two runs...when he has a bad ankle...and with Moncada who has been hitting well the past few nights the next hitter.

Obviously dumb baseball doesn't just stay with the players on the field.

The Volsted play was pretty funny too.

Speaking of which, I've seen elsewhere where Kenny has decided to speak up on the rebuild in one of the Chicago newspapers. I'll look forward to reading it Sunday (assuming it isn't in the Tribune). From what I've seen on some other message boards Kenny praised RR and the coaching staff for their ability to communicate and to teach the fundamentals. From what others posted apparently he also said that Hahn didn't have to talk him into anything concerning going to a rebuild philosophy.

Assuming he did say that (like I said I haven't read the story) I guess he is seeing a very different game from me and those who are clamoring for a new manager next year or when the Sox are good again may want to rethink that stance.

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Old 07-04-2018, 10:09 PM
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Renteria is lost.

He has no business being a ML manager.

Didn't think we could get worse than Robin, but we found the guy.

Not using a pinch runner for Jose in the 8th is ridiculous.
Stoney, once again, predicted what would happen when RR elected not to pinch run for Jose.

Just offer Stone the job. Doubt he'd take it, but the guy gets the game.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:46 AM
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Renteria is lost.

He has no business being a ML manager.

Didn't think we could get worse than Robin, but we found the guy.

Not using a pinch runner for Jose in the 8th is ridiculous.
Stoney, once again, predicted what would happen when RR elected not to pinch run for Jose.

Just offer Stone the job. Doubt he'd take it, but the guy gets the game.
I am surprised he didn't run for Abreu and surprised more by sending him.

In the postgame, RR said Covey's arm angle changed and his pitches flattened out.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:48 AM
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I also think not pinch running for Jose was a mistake but let's also look at the situation. If he had pinch run for Jose then you have Davidson coming in as the defensive replacement in the bottom of the 8th. This is the same Matt Davidson who couldn't remember what to do when a ground ball was hit to him in a crucial situation the night before. So maybe that played a little in Renteria's decision to stick with Abreu.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:47 AM
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Covey is back to normal.

To me I'd love to know who made the decision to send Jose' in the 8th inning, down two runs...when he has a bad ankle...and with Moncada who has been hitting well the past few nights the next hitter.

Obviously dumb baseball doesn't just stay with the players on the field.

The Volsted play was pretty funny too.

Speaking of which, I've seen elsewhere where Kenny has decided to speak up on the rebuild in one of the Chicago newspapers. I'll look forward to reading it Sunday (assuming it isn't in the Tribune). From what I've seen on some other message boards Kenny praised RR and the coaching staff for their ability to communicate and to teach the fundamentals. From what others posted apparently he also said that Hahn didn't have to talk him into anything concerning going to a rebuild philosophy.

Assuming he did say that (like I said I haven't read the story) I guess he is seeing a very different game from me and those who are clamoring for a new manager next year or when the Sox are good again may want to rethink that stance.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/...e-sox-rebuild/
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:37 AM
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Covey is back to normal.

Speaking of which, I've seen elsewhere where Kenny has decided to speak up on the rebuild in one of the Chicago newspapers. I'll look forward to reading it Sunday (assuming it isn't in the Tribune). From what I've seen on some other message boards Kenny praised RR and the coaching staff for their ability to communicate and to teach the fundamentals. From what others posted apparently he also said that Hahn didn't have to talk him into anything concerning going to a rebuild philosophy.
I would assume they are doing it to get out in front PR wise because, based on results, the rebuild is going nowhere; or at least several teams who should not be ahead of the Sox in their rebuild, clearly are.
They media has gobbled up their sharp-witted excuses for several years (the horror of the Shields trade e.g.), so this should be buy them a few more years.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:38 AM
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If I had to pick a reliever to jettison, I would pick Bruce Rondon first, but Chris Volstad is only a mouse fart away from joining him.
I'd release Volstad first. Rondon at least has top notch velocity and on the occasions when he can get the ball over the plate, he can strike MLB hitters out. While it's unlikely that Rondon figures out consistency, there is still *some* upside there. Volstad is an example of a veteran that has nothing left. He doesn't miss bats and walks a ton of guys because he knows his stuff isn't good anymore.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:43 AM
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I would assume they are doing it to get out in front PR wise because, based on results, the rebuild is going nowhere
Oh my god. Seriously, I read a lot of objective baseball content, and this notion would be laughed off pretty easily.

Why do you even follow the team right now if this is the position to which you are married? Serious question, not trying to be snarky.
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:21 AM
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Oh my god. Seriously, I read a lot of objective baseball content, and this notion would be laughed off pretty easily.

Why do you even follow the team right now if this is the position to which you are married? Serious question, not trying to be snarky.
I shouldn't root for the team because I have no faith in this front office? Screw that. There's a lot of talent in this org. Skilled baseball professionals should be able to turn it into a winner.
Because I look at things objectively I see a team that is in the 2nd full season of a rebuild have exactly zero young players yet to present themselves as above-average (and few are even average). Because I see the team 0/3 with top pitching prospects (and I realize that it's hard to turn pitching prospects into major leaguers and 1/3 or 1/4 is a realistic expectation). Yes, any of these could pop at any time, and there are more in the pipeline, but so far, they haven't.

I don't think the team will permanently go nowhere.
But they need young pitching But I look at this regime's solutions to pitching problems over their 6 seasons and want to cry; and then the next rumored solution: cash in to rent some Mets??? Yikes!.

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Old 07-05-2018, 11:25 AM
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I heard Renteria put ketchup on his hot dog while barbecuing yesterday. Further proof that he is in no way fit to be a big league manager. This in conjunction with the repeated implosions of noted prospects Dylan Covey, Chris Volstad, and Juan Minaya give me no choice but to conclude that this rebuild is an abject failure. Truthfully, I see no conceivable way to contention until 2027.
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:26 AM
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I would assume they are doing it to get out in front PR wise because, based on results, the rebuild is going nowhere; or at least several teams who should not be ahead of the Sox in their rebuild, clearly are.
They media has gobbled up their sharp-witted excuses for several years (the horror of the Shields trade e.g.), so this should be buy them a few more years.
Hyperbole, utter and ridiculous hyperbole. And which teams are ahead of the Sox that should not be, in your opinion? Because again, there are no timelines for a rebuild. You've placed a timeline on the rebuild based on 2 recent examples even though there has been no expectation from the FO on when to expect the rebuild to come to fruition.

But hey,
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