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Old 11-21-2019, 12:24 PM
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Iím not sure I like this move given the year James McCann had for us in 2019. I wouldíve preferred to lock up McCann for 4 years and tutor Zach Collins for the eventual take over of full time Catching duties.

All that said I donít hate the signing either as Yasmani Grandalís track Record is one of a winner. Heís caught some great Pitching Staffs through the years and is a proven solid every day Catcher. His age is somewhat of a concern, how much longer he can go, but I said the same thing when we signed Fisk. 😀

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...randya01.shtml <<Grandal


https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ccanja02.shtml << McCann
Before the signing, McCann was the only C in the organization that even had the potential to be a starting catcher in the league, and that's only with him having a breakout year that did not look entirely sustainable (he tailed off in the second half). RE: Collins, if we learned anything from his short time with the club in 2019 it's that (a) he can't hit LHP and probably never will, and (b) Renteria doesn't trust his defense behind the plate. McCann is also sub-par defensively and a poor framer. It would have been a mistake to go into 2020 with those two as your only two catching options.

With one move, the Sox upgraded the C position, the pitching staff, and the DH position. It's a move that's made by a team that wants to contend.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:24 PM
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Nice job. Let's see what is next.

Glad they didn't sign any of Grandal's cousins first.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:32 PM
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:33 PM
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I sure wouldnt want to be Collins waking up to this. He has to hope for a trade or hes buried.
He's not. He's going to DH, backup 1B and emergency catch.
The Sox need LH power and OBP and Collins provides both.
Collins is strictly a platoon player anyway.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:37 PM
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He's not. He's going to DH, backup 1B and emergency catch.
The Sox need LH power and OBP and Collins provides both.
Collins is strictly a platoon player anyway.

My guess is that he's part of a package that lands Betts in RF.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:40 PM
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He's not. He's going to DH, backup 1B and emergency catch.
The Sox need LH power and OBP and Collins provides both.
Collins is strictly a platoon player anyway.



This is not what a #1 pick looks forward to.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:41 PM
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I doubt they're looking to trade Collins, mostly because he doesn't have much trade value. He showed signs last year, if he continues to hit RHP well he could be the big LH power threat this team needs. If he doesn't make it, it's not a big loss at this point because the C position is covered.

Agreed. Plus, with Collins on the roster, they can have McCann and Grandal in the lineup (as C/DH) on any given day and not risk losing the DH if whoever is catching has to leave the game.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:42 PM
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My guess is that he's part of a package that lands Betts in RF.

As the throw in maybe...



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This is not what a #1 pick looks forward to.

With his production to date, it doesn't matter what he thinks. He's fighting to be a viable piece in the league.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:44 PM
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Agreed. Plus, with Collins on the roster, they can have McCann and Grandal in the lineup (as C/DH) on any given day and not risk losing the DH if whoever is catching has to leave the game.
I really don't think Collins will be on the MLB roster to be the 3rd C. Makes no sense. He still needs to grow as a hitter and C, so needs full time reps in AAA.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:46 PM
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I really don't think Collins will be on the MLB roster to be the 3rd C. Makes no sense. He still needs to grow as a hitter and C, so needs full time reps in AAA.

Disagree. He's at the point where he needs to prove he's not a AAAA player.
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Old 11-21-2019, 12:50 PM
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Disagree. He's at the point where he needs to prove he's not a AAAA player.
How can anyone prove themselves with 3rd string amount of ABs and playing time?
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With his production to date, it doesn't matter what he thinks. He's fighting to be a viable piece in the league.



And the Sox were the place to get that opportunity. A lot tougher now.
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Old 11-21-2019, 01:05 PM
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How can anyone prove themselves with 3rd string amount of ABs and playing time?
There are two positions for 3 players. They'll all be playing in about 2/3 of games (plus or minus), which is about what a starting catcher's workload is anyway.
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Old 11-21-2019, 01:11 PM
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And the Sox were the place to get that opportunity. A lot tougher now.
So you wanted the Sox to punt on 2020 just to give Collins an extended look?

Collins will get plenty of opportunities against RHP, as long as he shows he can hit. There will be fewer starts behind the plate, but that's probably in everyone's best interest at this point. In fact, as the primary DH against RHP Collins might get more ABs now than before the trade, when he was serving as the only backup C, because (a) Renteria doesn't like to use both C's in the same game, and (b) Renteria doesn't trust Collins' defense.

If Collins improves behind the plate he will get more starts back there, but he needs to earn that trust first which he has yet to do. He'll have the opportunity this year.
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Old 11-21-2019, 01:12 PM
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There are two positions for 3 players. They'll all be playing in about 2/3 of games (plus or minus), which is about what a starting catcher's workload is anyway.
Possibly. But you don't give Grandal $73mil to play C only 1/3 of the games, a lot of his value comes from actually playing that position. McCann is good back there too. Collins is below average on D and hasn't proven he can hit in the MLB yet. I just don't see a reason to force ABs or time at C for Collins who just isn't that good. The Sox are clearly trying to win now, their C/DH rotation is weakened by including Collins and his growing pains there.
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