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Old 04-27-2018, 04:00 PM
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So you donít want Moncada emulating Frank Thomas or Miguel Cabrera in terms of 2-strike approach? Is that because you donít like their approaches or you donít think he can become proficient in doing so?
No, I donít see Moncada ever cutting his swing-and-miss rate down to the level of Frank Thomas or Miguel Cabrera. That is pretty rarified air.
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:13 PM
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Why would a player swing at worse pitches earlier in counts to avoid striking out? The best ways to avoid striking out are identifying pitches and cutting down on your swing with two strikes. He already identifies pitches better than most young players.



No need to expand the strike zone if he gets better at spoiling two-strike pitches.
Can't forget this, thanks. There are times when putting the ball in play will win you more games than potential exit velocity.
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:20 PM
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No, I donít see Moncada ever cutting his swing-and-miss rate down to the level of Frank Thomas or Miguel Cabrera. That is pretty rarified air.
Neither do I, but how about he tries and sees how close he can get? Any harm in that?
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:30 PM
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Neither do I, but how about he tries and sees how close he can get? Any harm in that?

If he can get his career rate down to 25-30 percent, he will be a superstar and one of the best in the game for the rest of his career.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:07 PM
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He has a lot to learn. He has superstar written all over him. With his speed, he should be a doubles machine. With the proper hunger and commitment, I like his chances for the Hall of Fame. He'll probably wind up with big-time power numbers for a second baseman. The current all-time second-sacker bomb board:

1. Jeff Kent 377
2. Robinson Cano 303 and counting
3. Roger Hornsby 301
4. Craig Biggio 291
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:32 PM
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A 35-homer pace, one of the highest walk rates in the majors, and really good defense, all while occupying a premium position, equate to a high WAR.

His OPS+ (The average MLB OPS is calibrated to 100) of 154 suggests that his bat has been 54% better than the average MLB player. His wRC+ (once again, the average MLB weighted runs created is calibrated to 100) of 152 reinforces this, suggesting that his bat has been 52% better than average.

Oh, and he has been hitting the ball harder than anyone in the majors. That statement is not hyperbole, either. That is extrapolated directly from the accumulated data.
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A lot goes into it. Defensive metrics, OBP, runs, SB, OPS, etc. He has a lot more value that a batting average and RBI metric. The fact that he can slash all five tools will give him a high WAR, even though his "simple" numbers won't look as pretty as Baez, for instance.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:43 PM
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I just hope he justifies the $200 I put down on his jersey for my son - didn't go so well with Beckham.
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Old 05-26-2018, 09:57 AM
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The kid's hitting, but not for average. He was back in the .250's last night after going all the way to .270+ during his pre-injury hot streak.
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Old 05-26-2018, 09:58 AM
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The kid's hitting, but not for average. He was back in the .250's last night after going all the way to .270+ during his pre-injury hot streak.
Just stop it. What in the holy hell, man?
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Old 05-26-2018, 10:24 AM
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Just stop it. What in the holy hell, man?
What is wrong with his comment?
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:13 AM
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What is wrong with his comment?
Nothing, IMO.

Moncada can be criticized.

Although I think he's doing alright at this point in time.

Could be better. Could be WAY worse.
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Old 05-26-2018, 01:28 PM
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The kid's hitting, but not for average. He was back in the .250's last night after going all the way to .270+ during his pre-injury hot streak.
I’ll take the plus power, plus speed, and plus glove. The extra two hits per month that separate a .250 hitter from a .270 hitter don’t really do much for me.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:15 PM
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#4 OPS among AL starting 2nd basemen...at age 22....in his first full season in the bigs- I'll take it.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:08 PM
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What is wrong with his comment?
Yeah, I only overreacted due to the historic tendency of HF to look for the worst. Apologies.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:35 PM
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I still feel he's a little passive out there. I want him more aggressive at the plate, especially early in counts.

The talent is clearly there, just waiting for that blowup.

It does get envious and distracting watching the things Torres, Acuna, Albeis are doing right out of the box. Instant All-star level success. Even Austin Meadows who had fizzled a bit in the minors hit the floor running for the Pirates.

I think this also has to do with the talent surrounding you. Moncada being in perhaps the worst situation of any rookie.
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