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Old 04-16-2008, 01:00 PM
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No. Do not switch Dye and Thome. We have only two beefy lefty batters in the lineup and I don't think it's a good idea to have them bat back to back... Even if AJ would provide more protection than Konerko right now.
Agreed. Even though Thome is struggling, we're still winning games. Leave well enough alone.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:02 PM
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I'd rather see Thome blind-folded one handed swinging against lefties with a tennis racket than Brian Anderson against anyone in a slow pitch softball league. If we're sitting Thome, our best pure power hitter, it isn't going to be to get some hack with the stick like BA more at bats. At least the Fields thing was realistic.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:06 PM
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The next week we face only one lefty, I think. Guthrie,Jackson,Wang are rightys with Loewen as a lefty tonite. Ok, not sure about the other two TB pitchers..so maybe we get a good run of rightys where the back to back leftys (Jim and AJ) would not be so problematic until late innnings.

I would like to see some first inning potential to get out on top and with Jim in the 3-hole..right now it is not happening.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:14 PM
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Well, while we're all freaking out about our Future Hall of Fame DH's lack of hitting lefties in the first two weeks of the season...
First two weeks?! Thome has been weak against lefties for years.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:16 PM
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The one area Fields can benefit from in AAA is defense...he needs to be playing 3rd every day...
I don't care about his defensive development for the future when we have a chance to win a World Series this year. Bring him up and let him rip against lefties.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:17 PM
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*** did I say 400 PAs? I said it'd be nice to give Thome a break against Lefties, especially in close and late situations where they bring out the leftie specialists JUST to get Thome out. Then i said BA could be one of 3 freaking options to do that. How is that 400 PAs? Sounds more like 20-50 among 3 players!

Thanks for taking this train off the tracks.
You mentioning BA as an option is what took the train off the tracks. It's completely unreasonable.

Let's put it this way. Would you pinch hit BA for Thome late in a game because he's facing a lefty? No. And neither would Ozzie. Because if he did, he'd be fired.

Now a righty with power and pop that has proven to hit lefties well might be okay to do. But you didn't say that. You said give BA at bats. The one guy who's likely to do worse at the plate than Thome does against lefties.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:22 PM
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That pretty much sums up what we're getting when Thome's in there against lefties (Opening Day being the exception). BA in CF also upgrades your defense (assuming Dye moves to DH when you do this), and gives you a little more speed in the line up. I think he's shown enough this year between spring training and the few ABs he's had that he's improved. It's a better option than Fields losing the ability to work on his major weakness (defense) by sitting on the bench most of the time.
I don't think Fields' defense is going to be hurt by him DHing most of the time. In the average game, there are what, 4-5 balls hit to third base? These guys practice too, you know. During an average practice session they'll see a lot more balls than that.

Batting, on the other hand, can't be simulated in practice. There's no substitute for live major league pitching. But I think Fields is at the point where his development is not going to be derailed by only playing in half the games.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:23 PM
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I don't have a problem with it. I even just benched Thome on my fantasy team in favor of Adam Jones, who's been getting on base lately. We'll have to see if this move is permanent.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:43 PM
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You mentioning BA as an option is what took the train off the tracks. It's completely unreasonable.

Let's put it this way. Would you pinch hit BA for Thome late in a game because he's facing a lefty? No. And neither would Ozzie. Because if he did, he'd be fired.

Now a righty with power and pop that has proven to hit lefties well might be okay to do. But you didn't say that. You said give BA at bats. The one guy who's likely to do worse at the plate than Thome does against lefties.
I wouldn't be pinch hitting BA because he'd already be starting in CF against a lefty. Thats a different thread.

I don't think BA, or anyone else, could do _much_ worse against the specialist lefty as Thome is doing now, and has done the last 2 years. If we're all going to bash BA because of his 2006 stats, why isnt the same scrutiny tacked on to Thome's 2006 AND 2007 stats against Leftys? Because he was a HOF caliber player while playing for 2 other different teams?? Excuse me if I don't bow down at the altar of Jim Thome who has been here all of 2+ seasons and during that time as sucked it up when it comes to being a #3 hitter against Leftys. Awesome he hit two HR against CC on opening day. Considering we lost that game, maybe it would have been better for it never to have happened so that the team could make the right moves for 2008.
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Old 04-16-2008, 02:34 PM
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I wouldn't be pinch hitting BA because he'd already be starting in CF against a lefty. Thats a different thread.

I don't think BA, or anyone else, could do _much_ worse against the specialist lefty as Thome is doing now, and has done the last 2 years. If we're all going to bash BA because of his 2006 stats, why isnt the same scrutiny tacked on to Thome's 2006 AND 2007 stats against Leftys? Because he was a HOF caliber player while playing for 2 other different teams?? Excuse me if I don't bow down at the altar of Jim Thome who has been here all of 2+ seasons and during that time as sucked it up when it comes to being a #3 hitter against Leftys. Awesome he hit two HR against CC on opening day. Considering we lost that game, maybe it would have been better for it never to have happened so that the team could make the right moves for 2008.
Read my previous post on Thome's OBP against lefties the last three years. It's .325. Which Brian can't sniff.

Thome isn't brutal against lefties. He's just bad. Whereas Brian is brutal. There's a difference.
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Old 04-16-2008, 03:30 PM
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Read my previous post on Thome's OBP against lefties the last three years. It's .325. Which Brian can't sniff.

Thome isn't brutal against lefties. He's just bad. Whereas Brian is brutal. There's a difference.
When in 2006? Or is this just your magic ability to tell how someone hit?

There IS recent Thome data
There IS NOT recent BA data

Using your logic, We should see if any other people have done well in 2006 that are out of baseball, because 2006 = NOW

Or perhaps we should sit AJ after the allstar break because he had .292 OBP after the allstar break in 2006!
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Old 04-16-2008, 03:57 PM
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When in 2006? Or is this just your magic ability to tell how someone hit?

There IS recent Thome data
There IS NOT recent BA data

Using your logic, We should see if any other people have done well in 2006 that are out of baseball, because 2006 = NOW

Or perhaps we should sit AJ after the allstar break because he had .292 OBP after the allstar break in 2006!
Oh yeah, you've nailed the argument.

If your unwilling to accept that there's still a difference between Jim Thome and Brian Anderson (or whatever other bench-riding scrub you'd prefer to hit against lefties) then we just need to agree to disagree and see how it plays out.
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:21 PM
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Oh yeah, you've nailed the argument.

If your unwilling to accept that there's still a difference between Jim Thome and Brian Anderson (or whatever other bench-riding scrub you'd prefer to hit against lefties) then we just need to agree to disagree and see how it plays out.
I think we need to agree to disagree because I DO think there is a difference between Jim Thome and whatever bench-riding scrub could hit for him in the late innings of a game against a lefty specialist.

Unfortunately, we'll probably only get to see your preferred scenario play out. So you = happy regardless of results. Me = probably disappointed unless a miracle occurs (either Thome has some sustained success against those lefties or someone else pinch hits for him).
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:29 PM
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I think we need to agree to disagree because I DO think there is a difference between Jim Thome and whatever bench-riding scrub could hit for him in the late innings of a game against a lefty specialist.

Unfortunately, we'll probably only get to see your preferred scenario play out. So you = happy regardless of results. Me = probably disappointed unless a miracle occurs (either Thome has some sustained success against those lefties or someone else pinch hits for him).
As long as I'm happy.
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:49 PM
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When in 2006? Or is this just your magic ability to tell how someone hit?

There IS recent Thome data
There IS NOT recent BA data
There is plenty of data on BA. There just isn't any that suggests he can hit at the major league level enough to even be a BAD baseball player. Yet you want to take at bats from Jim Thome and give them to him.

I'm glad you're not in charge.
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