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Old 02-20-2020, 05:43 PM
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What is stopping Fulmer from doing just that?
Nothing I suppose. But should it come to that? Maybe his professional coaches can work with what he has, such as elite spin rate.
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Old 02-21-2020, 01:36 PM
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Nothing I suppose. But should it come to that? Maybe his professional coaches can work with what he has, such as elite spin rate.
Or maybe they have and he's not succeeding because spin rate does not mean much if every batter knows that the ball is either outside the zone or right down the middle.

Perhaps another year at Driveline with their superior video cameras will fix everything....
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Old 02-22-2020, 04:06 AM
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Nothing I suppose. But should it come to that? Maybe his professional coaches can work with what he has, such as elite spin rate.
Didn't Gio look outside for help?
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Old 02-23-2020, 07:43 AM
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Didn't Gio look outside for help?
He went back to his old coach.
But should players on a professional team coached by professional coaches be expected to do that?
And maybe the Sox have been using analytics all along (just without cameras) and aren't wed to the cutter
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Old 02-23-2020, 12:14 PM
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He went back to his old coach.
But should players on a professional team coached by professional coaches be expected to do that?
And maybe the Sox have been using analytics all along (just without cameras) and aren't wed to the cutter
I am not of the opinion that you go outside the organization for help (this could lead to all sorts of contract issues) but in Gio's case he was really struggling.
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Old 02-24-2020, 04:45 PM
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When your the 8th pick in the 2015 draft and you pitch like Fulmer has, he's been a big disappointment. But so far that draft year hasn't produced a lot of pitching, the best pitchers in the first round has been Walker Buehler & Mike Soroka but neither of them are world beaters.

The thing is when you take a proven college player in the first round, you hope they get to the majors quickly and contribute and in that sense Fulmer has but after getting a taste, it's clear he just doesn't have good enough stuff at this level to be a starter. After watching him pitch, I think he would be more effective out of the pen.

The Sox invested $3.47m in the first round signing bonus to Fulmer so unless someone wants him, the Sox are going to give him more time to develop as a starter. If Fulmer wasn't drafted in the first round, I think the Sox would have traded him or moved him to the pen by now.
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:54 PM
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Carson Fulmer's career stats at AAA-

78 appearances (38 starts), 15-18, 5.39 ERA, 1.55 WHIP

At AA-

17 apprearances (all starts), 4-9, 4.76 ERA, 1.53 WHIP

He's had zero success above High A ball (2016-2019)-
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:01 AM
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He went back to his old coach.
But should players on a professional team coached by professional coaches be expected to do that?
And maybe the Sox have been using analytics all along (just without cameras) and aren't wed to the cutter
When you're a player on a professional team coached by professional coaches, you're expected to do whatever it takes, within the rules, to realize your potential. Visit an old coach, talk to the girl you used to date in college, write a letter to the pope, perform an exorcism on your glove, or ask Jobu to come... if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.


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Carson Fulmer's career stats at AAA-

78 appearances (38 starts), 15-18, 5.39 ERA, 1.55 WHIP

At AA-

17 apprearances (all starts), 4-9, 4.76 ERA, 1.53 WHIP

He's had zero success above High A ball (2016-2019)-
With those numbers, how'd he ever get called up?
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:10 AM
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When you're a player on a professional team coached by professional coaches, you're expected to do whatever it takes, within the rules, to realize your potential. Visit an old coach, talk to the girl you used to date in college, write a letter to the pope, perform an exorcism on your glove, or ask Jobu to come... if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.




With those numbers, how'd he ever get called up?
Only because he's a #1 draft choice- no other reason.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:18 AM
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Only because he's a #1 draft choice- no other reason.
That and his stuff is really good. The issue is his location sucks.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:18 AM
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With those numbers, how'd he ever get called up?
With his major league track record, how do they keep bringing him back?

Dude needs to go to Japan.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:46 AM
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That and his stuff is really good. The issue is his location sucks.
Yep- that's been the issue for 4 years now.

In his appearannce vs. Reds on Sunday- he k'd the 1st two batters he faced, barely missed on a 2-2 pitch to get the 3rd out- then walked the batter on a 3-2 change up- I know it's only spring training- but I was really surprised he didn't just challenge the guy to get the last out.
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Old 02-25-2020, 03:35 PM
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That and his stuff is really good. The issue is his location sucks.
Every pitcher's location sucks when he's throwing harder than what he can control. Is his stuff still really good if he dials down the velocity to what he can control? I think not, and it's why he has no business being on an MLB roster.
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Old 03-11-2020, 09:16 PM
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Yep- that's been the issue for 4 years now.

In his appearannce vs. Reds on Sunday- he k'd the 1st two batters he faced, barely missed on a 2-2 pitch to get the 3rd out- then walked the batter on a 3-2 change up- I know it's only spring training- but I was really surprised he didn't just challenge the guy to get the last out.
If he ever reaches the point where he can get swings-and-misses on 3-2 changeups, he can become one of the elite 9th-inning pitchers in all of baseball.
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