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Old 09-11-2019, 05:36 PM
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The balls are juiced in both AAA and the majors. They are the same. He can hit AAA and needs to develop in the MLB now. Yes he's started off slow but let's not pretend he's absolute crap. Collins has potential.
Yes he needs to develop in the majors now for the next 3 weeks of games and in ST in March. But, by no means should the Sox go through this offseason penciling him in for full time DH and backup C duties next year. That is not how contending teams operate with non elite prospects that have serious question marks. If next year was another throw away year, sure you can let him have all season to figure it out, but that isn't the case.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:00 PM
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Eloy has a 50 grade arm
Says who? I've watched him play and he certainly does not.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:23 PM
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Says who? I've watched him play and he certainly does not.
MLB.com had him there when he was eligible, you can check the archives.

Either way, saying that a left fielder has a left fielder's arm is hardly a major flaw.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:37 PM
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MLB.com had him there when he was eligible, you can check the archives.

Either way, saying that a left fielder has a left fielder's arm is hardly a major flaw.
People (on these very forums mind you) used to complain that Frank had a bad throwing arm and he played first base.

Anything less than perfection at every single position is unacceptable to some fans.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:16 PM
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Then thereís this Gioloto fella.....
Unfortunately Gioloto is the only for sure starter that can be counted on for next year. If they want to keep that future bright they better add a couple starters they can count on.
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Old 09-12-2019, 04:15 AM
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MLB.com had him there when he was eligible, you can check the archives.

Either way, saying that a left fielder has a left fielder's arm is hardly a major flaw.
Those ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. It also said he was an average outfielder.
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Old 09-12-2019, 04:57 AM
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People (on these very forums mind you) used to complain that Frank had a bad throwing arm and he played first base.

Anything less than perfection at every single position is unacceptable to some fans.
Frank's throwing arm is why he was moved to DH.

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Old 09-12-2019, 08:07 AM
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Unfortunately Gioloto is the only for sure starter that can be counted on for next year. If they want to keep that future bright they better add a couple starters they can count on.
...like Cole!!!
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:43 AM
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Unfortunately Gioloto is the only for sure starter that can be counted on for next year. If they want to keep that future bright they better add a couple starters they can count on.
I wouldn't even go that far. Giolito's 2019 is such an outlier of a season that he should be a prime candidate for regression. Next year we might get 2004 Esteban Loaiza (or, if we're lucky, 2005 Esteban Loaiza).

The Sox need to acquire a top of the line starter, and probably also a durable veteran for the back end of the rotation. I'm willing to bet that between Rodon, Giolito, Cease, Lopez, Kopech, Dunning, etc. there are 3 serviceable starters for 2020 but it's unlikely there are 5.
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Old 09-12-2019, 03:29 PM
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Next year we might get 2004 Esteban Loaiza (or, if we're lucky, 2005 Esteban Loaiza).
So...Jose Contreras?

I think I would be OK with that...
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Old 09-14-2019, 04:49 PM
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Yoan Moncada's slash line over the last 21 games: .325/.380/.542.
Eloy over last 24 games: .313/.359/.594
TA over last 24 games: .358/.376/.575
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Old 09-14-2019, 05:08 PM
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Yoan Moncada's slash line over the last 21 games: .325/.380/.542.
Eloy over last 24 games: .313/.359/.594
TA over last 24 games: .358/.376/.575
Those guys, plus Robert, give us half a solid lineup for the next half-decade. Itís the other half of the lineup that worries me.
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Old 09-14-2019, 05:50 PM
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Those guys, plus Robert, give us half a solid lineup for the next half-decade. Itís the other half of the lineup that worries me.
McCann and Abreu are two more and in theory Madrigal will be up sometime next year. Looking for RF and DH and if Collins can adjust to MLB pitching that covers DH.
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:14 PM
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McCann and Abreu are two more and in theory Madrigal will be up sometime next year. Looking for RF and DH and if Collins can adjust to MLB pitching that covers DH.
McCann is only guaranteed to be around for one more year, and it will be pretty tough for him to repeat this performance. There is no guarantee whatsoever on how long Abreu will be here, or if he even will be here at all. Madrigal hasnít played a single game in the majors.

Still lots of long-term questions that need answers...
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:46 PM
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McCann is only guaranteed to be around for one more year, and it will be pretty tough for him to repeat this performance. There is no guarantee whatsoever on how long Abreu will be here, or if he even will be here at all. Madrigal hasn’t played a single game in the majors.

Still lots of long-term questions that need answers...
McCann's post All-Start game numbers are frightening.

Not saying that's what we should expect, same way we shouldn't expect his first half to repeat.

I think he's somewhere in between, which is average.
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