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Old 09-05-2019, 07:18 AM
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Agreed. And Jimmy Lambert, too. He might have figured into the 2020 rotation but now it will be 2021 at the earliest.

Very few organizations can overcome the loss of four top pitchers/pitching prospects to TJS in a period of approximately 6 months, and still be a winning team while those pitchers are still rehabbing.

I don’t know that the 2019 Sox would be contenders with a healthy Kopech and Rodon in the rotation along with Giolito, Lopez, and Cease (as I think more quality starts would end up requiring Renteria to overuse his good relievers, or to put the lousy relievers into save situations, and there remain problem with the lineup), but I think we’d be at or slightly above .500.
That’s all fine, but if they knew they weren’t competing this year, why not just pick up the option on James Shields and leave Dylan Cease in AAA for all of 2019? Michael Kopech was already on the shelf, Dane Dunning was showing some serious red flags with his arm problems, and Carlos Rodon is good for at least 2 months on the IL year-in and year-out. The team would not have been competitive overall, but more of those throw-away starts by Ervin Santana, Odrisamer Despaigne, Dylan Covey, Ross Detwiler, and Hector Santiago would have been competitive on an individual basis.

Getting 30+ starts and 180+ innings out of Shields would have been worth that money, and it would have been recouped as added payroll flexibility a few years down the road when Cease is still making close to the league minimum.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:27 AM
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He spent two months on the IL and hasn't pitched above AA. That would be rushing him, IMO. Give the kid a chance to find his feet again. He can start next year at AA and if he's successful bump to AAA.
Well, then, give a start to Justin Nicolino. He is a bit younger than Covey, lefthanded, and he has made 33 ML starts. He'll probably suck, but at least it's new information.

Or give a start to Kyle Kubat.

You can use Covey's 40-man spot; he won't be needing it.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:47 AM
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Covey is the projected starter Saturday night against the Angels.
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Covey is the projected starter Saturday night against the Angels.
NO!!!! I am going to that game......
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Old 09-07-2019, 09:59 PM
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You can use Covey's 40-man spot; he won't be needing it.
One would hope.
It's just beyond belief that in year 3 of a rebuild, they don't have a single prospect that they could give starts to. Not one. Instead we're debating which organizational minor leaguer is worthy of the starts. Meanwhile, Arizona just keeps wheeling them out.

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Old 09-08-2019, 08:56 AM
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I don’t know that the 2019 Sox would be contenders with a healthy Kopech and Rodon in the rotation along with Giolito, Lopez, and Cease (as I think more quality starts would end up requiring Renteria to overuse his good relievers, or to put the lousy relievers into save situations, and there remain problem with the lineup), but I think we’d be at or slightly above .500.
The Rays lost their top pitching prospect to start the year. Take a look at all of the young pitchers the Diamondbacks, Cardinals and Braves, actual contenders (not rabbit's-foot organizations) have shuttled up this year. Injuries happen. You need depth to contend.
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The Rays lost their top pitching prospect to start the year. Take a look at all of the young pitchers the Diamondbacks, Cardinals and Braves, actual contenders (not rabbit's-foot organizations) have shuttled up this year. Injuries happen.
Yeah, but the White Sox do not have to be a competitor in the race to the bottom.
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Old 09-08-2019, 01:30 PM
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The Rays lost their top pitching prospect to start the year. Take a look at all of the young pitchers the Diamondbacks, Cardinals and Braves, actual contenders (not rabbit's-foot organizations) have shuttled up this year. Injuries happen. You need depth to contend.
I agree we need depth. Injuries took out our best starting pitcher, our top starting pitching prospect, our third best starting pitching prospect, and our fourth best starting pitching prospect.
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