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Old 01-23-2020, 08:11 PM
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And none of them came via the big sell off. Two draftees and an international FA.
But all were made possible by the big sell-off. (Losing made the high draft picks possible and shedding salary made the Robert signing possible.)
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:21 PM
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And none of them came via the big sell off. Two draftees and an international FA.
Does it count if the high draft picks were obtained as a result of losing games after the big sell off?
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:36 PM
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Baseball America has updated their top 100 for 2020. The White Sox have 4 players:

2. Luis Robert
30. Andrew Vaughn
33. Michael Kopech
48. Nick Madrigal

3 of those 4 players may likely not be prospects in 2021. I'm guessing a few players at the lower levels make the jump for next season.
Which prospects would be good candidates to make the jump to the top 100 next season?
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:51 PM
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Does it count if the high draft picks were obtained as a result of losing games after the big sell off?
No.
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:12 PM
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Which prospects would be good candidates to make the jump to the top 100 next season?
Right off the top of my head, Micker Adolfo and Dane Dunning could rebound from their injuries. Jonathan Stiever is shooting up lists. Hell could freeze over and we finally see Jake Burger have a healthy season, fulfilling his potential. God could step in and stop Alec Hansen from seemingly breaking down in the face of adversity. Then there's always going to be a couple of player come seemingly out of nowhere and play way about what scouts thought them capable.

So to answer your question, I honestly don't know.
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:31 PM
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Rutherford is a former Top 100 prospect. If he caught fire he could vault back into the Top 100.

Sheets hasnít been a Top 100 prospect, but if he clobbers a lot of homers with high average, his stock could rise.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:42 PM
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Right off the top of my head, Micker Adolfo and Dane Dunning could rebound from their injuries. Jonathan Stiever is shooting up lists. Hell could freeze over and we finally see Jake Burger have a healthy season, fulfilling his potential. God could step in and stop Alec Hansen from seemingly breaking down in the face of adversity. Then there's always going to be a couple of player come seemingly out of nowhere and play way about what scouts thought them capable.

So to answer your question, I honestly don't know.
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Rutherford is a former Top 100 prospect. If he caught fire he could vault back into the Top 100.

Sheets hasnít been a Top 100 prospect, but if he clobbers a lot of homers with high average, his stock could rise.
Could Matthew Thompson or Andrew Dalquist possibly make their way to the Top 100 at some point?
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Could Matthew Thompson or Andrew Dalquist possibly make their way to the Top 100 at some point?
Potentially, if they really excel and force the Sox to promote them quickly.
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Old 01-27-2020, 05:59 PM
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Baseball America has updated their top 100 for 2020. The White Sox have 4 players:
2. Luis Robert
30. Andrew Vaughn
33. Michael Kopech
48. Nick Madrigal
BP has released their rankings. They have Robert a little lower and Madrigal much higher. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/p...ell-gavin-lux/

6. Luis Robert
13. Nick Madrigal
20. Michael Kopech
31. Andrew Vaughn
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Baseball America has updated their top 100 for 2020. The White Sox have 4 players:

2. Luis Robert
30. Andrew Vaughn
33. Michael Kopech
48. Nick Madrigal

3 of those 4 players may likely not be prospects in 2021. I'm guessing a few players at the lower levels make the jump for next season.
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BP has released their rankings. They have Robert a little lower and Madrigal much higher. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/p...ell-gavin-lux/

6. Luis Robert
13. Nick Madrigal
20. Michael Kopech
31. Andrew Vaughn
This is an excellent illustration of why numerical rankings are a waste of time. The ranking are not only 100% subjective, it is apples and oranges. How can you rank an AL-bound Pitcher in comparison to a position player? The Pitcher will not only have zero batting stats, but the other stats are completely unique to the position.

A much more accurate ranking system would a tier-based system where a player is in a highly ranked group, moderately high ranked group, moderate group, etc. This would take into account the player's skill set for his position and does not punish a lights-out Pitcher who is stuck behind a strong five-tool position candidate.
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This is an excellent illustration of why numerical rankings are a waste of time. The ranking are not only 100% subjective, it is apples and oranges. How can you rank an AL-bound Pitcher in comparison to a position player? The Pitcher will not only have zero batting stats, but the other stats are completely unique to the position.

A much more accurate ranking system would a tier-based system where a player is in a highly ranked group, moderately high ranked group, moderate group, etc. This would take into account the player's skill set for his position and does not punish a lights-out Pitcher who is stuck behind a strong five-tool position candidate.
There are also position by position rank lists if you are interested.
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Old 01-28-2020, 01:38 PM
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This is an excellent illustration of why numerical rankings are a waste of time. The ranking are not only 100% subjective, it is apples and oranges. How can you rank an AL-bound Pitcher in comparison to a position player? The Pitcher will not only have zero batting stats, but the other stats are completely unique to the position.

A much more accurate ranking system would a tier-based system where a player is in a highly ranked group, moderately high ranked group, moderate group, etc. This would take into account the player's skill set for his position and does not punish a lights-out Pitcher who is stuck behind a strong five-tool position candidate.
Ranking by position is usually the better way to look at things so I agree to a point. The overall ranking just seems like who people think the overall best prospects are. Given the fluidity of prospect rankings past #10, there really isn't much to nitpick about if a player should be #18 or #48.

One other thing to note, seems like just about all the expert opinions I'm seeing think Vaughn might have the highest ceiling for a hitter in the minors.

It does, however, show where a prospect at the top of his position could land in the overall state. For example, if scouts think pitching is having a down year overall, the top pitching prospect could be ranked #25 versus #3 on the this. It helps provide context to the expert consensus, to a degree.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:39 PM
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MLB pipeline has released some "summary" articles as follow-ups to their top 100.

Even though they only have 4 players in the top-100, based on "prospect points" the Sox farm system ranks second (behind SD), because all four are in their top 50 and 3 of the 4 are in the top 25. https://www.mlb.com/news/teams-most-...eline-coverage

In the "top tools" article (across all positions), Robert is awarded "best power". Madrigal is honorable mention for top hitter, and Kopech is honorable mention for both best fastball and best slider. https://www.mlb.com/news/top-tools-a...eline-coverage
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Old 01-29-2020, 11:39 PM
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Stiever should be in the top 100 in 6 months, if he isn't in the major league bullpen by then.
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Old 01-30-2020, 01:46 PM
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I think questioning whether the Sox can maintain a decent amount of talent in their farm system after the high draft picks are done with is a reasonable one.

They most certainly get credit for drafting Madrigal and Vaughn just as the Cubs get for Bryant and Baez or the Astros get for Correa and Springer and of course it'll be more difficult for the Sox to amass amateur talent assuming they start winning this year as it is with most teams. But, they need to do better than the abysmal results they had in the decade or so prior to the current CBA. Just look at their top prospects heading into the 2013 season. Woof!
https://www.minorleagueball.com/2012...pects-for-2013


I'd also like to see more international success aside from their success with high-priced Cuban free agents. The only successes I can think of are Tatis (we won't go there) and Yolmer.
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