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Old 07-13-2018, 03:35 PM
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I came across this article from an architecture mag that talks about changes to the Sox park neighborhood. Good read.

http://www.architecture.org/architec...-joe-gonzalez/

On that note, I posted a thread a while back about where to build a new park - if that day ever comes. However, with this article in mind, another - and far cheaper - idea would be to rotate the existing field to the south west, which was the configuration of Comiskey Park. This would afford most in attendance to view the Chicago skyline as an outfield backdrop.

I have attached a crude pic of how this would work. They'd have to tear down the third base upper deck, and rebuild it in right field. A new entrance plaza could be created at the northeast corner, which would like under the scoreboard at it's new centerfield location.

The ramp attached to the sports depot would be removed, and would make a nice location for a hall of fame around the old Comiskey home plate area.

In all it keeps the park in Bridgeport where the Sox have played their whole existence, while affording people a fantastic view of the skyline during the game. This outfield area could also include year-round bars and restaurants that take advantage of this amazing view.
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:45 PM
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That's a poured concrete structure. It's not as easy as it sounds to do that and might not be feasible at all without damaging the structural integrity of the whole park.
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:52 PM
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I came across this article from an architecture mag that talks about changes to the Sox park neighborhood. Good read.

http://www.architecture.org/architec...-joe-gonzalez/

On that note, I posted a thread a while back about where to build a new park - if that day ever comes. However, with this article in mind, another - and far cheaper - idea would be to rotate the existing field to the south west, which was the configuration of Comiskey Park. This would afford most in attendance to view the Chicago skyline as an outfield backdrop.

I have attached a crude pic of how this would work. They'd have to tear down the third base upper deck, and rebuild it in right field. A new entrance plaza could be created at the northeast corner, which would like under the scoreboard at it's new centerfield location.

The ramp attached to the sports depot would be removed, and would make a nice location for a hall of fame around the old Comiskey home plate area.

In all it keeps the park in Bridgeport where the Sox have played their whole existence, while affording people a fantastic view of the skyline during the game. This outfield area could also include year-round bars and restaurants that take advantage of this amazing view.
In addition to VooDoo's point about the park being set in the ground, there is the issue of the senior citizen high-rise to the SE of the park. For whatever reason(s), the State could not get the green light to tear it down so the park could be oriented the way you (and everyone else) wants it oriented. To orient the park they way we want it, would put Comiskey into the backyard of the high-rise.

Won't happen.
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In addition to VooDoo's point about the park being set in the ground, there is the issue of the senior citizen high-rise to the SE of the park. For whatever reason(s), the State could not get the green light to tear it down so the park could be oriented the way you (and everyone else) wants it oriented. To orient the park they way we want it, would put Comiskey into the backyard of the high-rise.

Won't happen.
Not to mention you'd have to reconfigure all of the areas underneath the grandstand...clubhouses, lounge areas, storage rooms, etc. I like the idea but I don't know if this would be all that cheap.
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That's a poured concrete structure. It's not as easy as it sounds to do that and might not be feasible at all without damaging the structural integrity of the whole park.
This would involve shaving the upper deck only along third base. No impact to the concourse level.

The outfield would have a new upper deck built - most likely out of steel - over the existing bleachers. For aesthetics it would have a different design than the first base deck - and most likely a shorter foul pole line.
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In addition to VooDoo's point about the park being set in the ground, there is the issue of the senior citizen high-rise to the SE of the park. For whatever reason(s), the State could not get the green light to tear it down so the park could be oriented the way you (and everyone else) wants it oriented. To orient the park they way we want it, would put Comiskey into the backyard of the high-rise.

Won't happen.
Look at the image again - no impact to the adjacent high-rise (it's about 150 feet away). The new upper deck would be built directly over the existing bleachers - like that home run porch that was bantered about, but now more elaborate involving suites, etc.
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Not to mention you'd have to reconfigure all of the areas underneath the grandstand...clubhouses, lounge areas, storage rooms, etc. I like the idea but I don't know if this would be all that cheap.
This shouldn't be that complicated. It would involve a new clubhouse along the new first base line, but the concourse itself would stay in place.

And not cheap, but certainly cheaper than a whole new stadium on new land. I'm thinking such a renovation would be in the $200-$300 million range. As for a comparison the new Twins stadium cost $600 million when opened in 2006. The new Texas stadium - with roof mind you - will cost $1.1 billion.

However, it could be done even cheaper - PNC in Pittsburgh cost $216 million when it opened in 2001 - that's $300 million adjusted today - for an entire park.
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Just thought of this too - with the outfield along 35th, they could reopen McCuddy's over it's old home footprint
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The skyline would not be visible from the lower deck. The park is too far away.

The cost to do this correctly would be astronomical to the point where one would just consider starting over from scratch. You are underestimating how much work would be involved.
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The skyline would not be visible from the lower deck. The park is too far away.

The cost to do this correctly would be astronomical to the point where one would just consider starting over from scratch. You are underestimating how much work would be involved.
It would also mean at least one full season playing at Wrigley, if the Cubs allow it.
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If there ever is a new Sox stadium and they decide again to build in Bridgeport (big mistake)the only logical way is to build a 21st century version of old Comiskey where the old one was. You probably could see the skyline from the lower deck if there was no UD in left field. The new park would be double decked from the left field foul pole to to extreme right center field, it would look a lot like Progressive Field in Cleveland but the left field bleacher would not be as steep as Progressive and would have not have huge scoreboard as PF does to block the view of the skyline.
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The skyline would not be visible from the lower deck. The park is too far away.

The cost to do this correctly would be astronomical to the point where one would just consider starting over from scratch. You are underestimating how much work would be involved.
Not as much as you are overestimating this.

First, the skyline would be clearly visible from the upper deck, and possibly from main concourse. Certainly from the outfield concourse.

As for the costs, this concept would remove only 1/5th of the existing park, and rebuilding it on the other side. This can be done for $300 million or less...easy.
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It would also mean at least one full season playing at Wrigley, if the Cubs allow it.
The Sox could conceivably play in the park during construction over two years. In between those years they can switch the field. They would lose about 8,000 seats - not that they would need them.
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If there ever is a new Sox stadium and they decide again to build in Bridgeport (big mistake)the only logical way is to build a 21st century version of old Comiskey where the old one was. You probably could see the skyline from the lower deck if there was no UD in left field. The new park would be double decked from the left field foul pole to to extreme right center field, it would look a lot like Progressive Field in Cleveland but the left field bleacher would not be as steep as Progressive and would have not have huge scoreboard as PF does to block the view of the skyline.

Where would you build it?
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If there ever is a new Sox stadium and they decide again to build in Bridgeport (big mistake)the only logical way is to build a 21st century version of old Comiskey where the old one was. You probably could see the skyline from the lower deck if there was no UD in left field. The new park would be double decked from the left field foul pole to to extreme right center field, it would look a lot like Progressive Field in Cleveland but the left field bleacher would not be as steep as Progressive and would have not have huge scoreboard as PF does to block the view of the skyline.
I do agree with this, but my concept tries to envision an affordable alternative that correctly orientates the park to the city.

If a new one would be built - resurrect the Armour Square proposal.
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