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Old 04-25-2018, 08:16 AM
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Putting the barrel of the bat on the baseball is job one. Swinging for the fences and changing your launch angle really lurches the game in the wrong direction. Look at the numbers: poor BA, high K statistics. But what the heck, they hit the ball hard and have a great launch angle.

Since most these days would rather feel the game as opposed to think it, I guess it makes sense. This goes all the way back to the days where the AL introduced the DH.
While I don't agree with the idea that most of the newer stats are useless (I think a lot of people overuse them, but used properly they have some utility), I wholeheartedly agree with the bolded above. It seems that the current philosophy can be summed up as "swing as hard as you can in case you hit it."

I heard on yesterday's game broadcast that if the trend continues, April 2018 will be the first month in MLB history in which there were more total strikeouts than total hits. That is not progress.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:10 AM
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Yoan Moncada is currently 66th in WAR rankings on ESPN and

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...rs=0&sort=21,d

18th according to Fangraphs.

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Old 04-25-2018, 10:05 AM
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The Orioles are sucking rotten eggs this season big time.

They will trade Machado at the deadline to a team that will sign him to an extension. This is why he won't be available as a FA for the Sox.

He also would probably not want to sign with the Sox because he has made it very clear he wants to play Second, not Short. We can dangle all the money in the world in front of him to "bribe" him into playing Short, but another team will offer the same money to play Second.
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The Orioles are sucking rotten eggs this season big time.

They will trade Machado at the deadline to a team that will sign him to an extension. This is why he won't be available as a FA for the Sox.

He also would probably not want to sign with the Sox because he has made it very clear he wants to play Second, not Short. We can dangle all the money in the world in front of him to "bribe" him into playing Short, but another team will offer the same money to play Second.
I thought I read where he wanted to play shortstop and not 3rd base? Never heard anything about second. Maybe something has changed recently.
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Old 04-25-2018, 11:51 AM
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I thought I read where he wanted to play shortstop and not 3rd base? Never heard anything about second. Maybe something has changed recently.
You might be correct. I mis-remembered from last year.

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Old 04-25-2018, 11:58 AM
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The Orioles are sucking rotten eggs this season big time.

They will trade Machado at the deadline to a team that will sign him to an extension. This is why he won't be available as a FA for the Sox.

He also would probably not want to sign with the Sox because he has made it very clear he wants to play Second, not Short. We can dangle all the money in the world in front of him to "bribe" him into playing Short, but another team will offer the same money to play Second.
Yeah, he wants to play SS.

He will likely be traded before the deadline, but how can you say he will for sure sign an extension? He has no choice in where he is traded, but has every say in where he will play next season as a FA. Very, very likely he will be a FA come this offseason.
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Yeah, he wants to play SS.

He will likely be traded before the deadline, but how can you say he will for sure sign an extension? He has no choice in where he is traded, but has every say in where he will play next season as a FA. Very, very likely he will be a FA come this offseason.
Agreed, and I'm surprised the Orioles didn't move him in the offseason. A full season of Machado has more value than a half-season of Machado, of course, and the prospect haul Baltimore gets might not be as good in July.

I do not believe for one second that he will be a member of the White Sox in 2019.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:52 PM
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Swinging for the fences and changing your launch angle really lurches the game in the wrong direction.
This is an altogether different argument. The game has already been ďlurched.Ē What we like or think is correct is irrelevant. No team want to be the only one that brings a knife to a gunfight, and no team wants to buck current trends and take the risk of being incorrect in their assessment.

It is what it is, and the only thing that will change it is if SABR-inclined teams start losing games to teams that stress traditional strategies.
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Putting the barrel of the bat on the baseball is job one. Swinging for the fences and changing your launch angle really lurches the game in the wrong direction. Look at the numbers: poor BA, high K statistics. But what the heck, they hit the ball hard and have a great launch angle.

Since most these days would rather feel the game as opposed to think it, I guess it makes sense. This goes all the way back to the days where the AL introduced the DH.
But thatís a different discussion as to whether the stats tell us anything. You may not like the direction the game is going , but that doesnít mean the stats being used are invalid and additionally exit velocity is not a measure of the speed of the baseball when it leaves the park on a home run but is a measure of the speed of the baseball as it comes off the barrel of the bat. Itís measured automatically every time a hitter makes contact.
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But thatís a different discussion as to whether the stats tell us anything. You may not like the direction the game is going , but that doesnít mean the stats being used are invalid and additionally exit velocity is not a measure of the speed of the baseball when it leaves the park on a home run but is a measure of the speed of the baseball as it comes off the barrel of the bat. Itís measured automatically every time a hitter makes contact.
Well said. Whether one is happy about the direction the game has taken in the last few years is not a factor into whether statistics measuring performance are valid or not. For example, I can really dislike the fact that launch angle and exit velocity have played a role in turning the game into three true outcomes (by the way, saw a stat that said that chances in CF have gone down 27% in the last 10 years - that's nuts), but that doesn't mean those are not valid measurements.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:57 PM
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In addition, Launch angle has to do with the angle the ball comes off the bat. Higher launch angles result in more hits and the angle has increased over the last several years.

It seems combined that exit velocity and launch angle are statistical measures of how often a player "barrels the baseball" or "connects on the sweet spot" as used to be the preferred term. They've just finally broken down what used to be an eye test into some stats that teams can use.
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