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In fact, I remember reading comments on some White Sox message board, I can't remember which, and the conversation was about the Braves making it 15 years in a row. The majority of the posters said the Braves won only once, just making the playoffs gets old. |
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One other point that adds some heft to Double's contention that since 2007 things have stagnated is this one:
From 2000 through 2006 the Sox never had a losing season. (Granted in four of those seven years the win totals were in the 80's) From 2007 through 2012 the Sox haven't even been able to put back to back winning seasons together. Lip |
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I sort of understand what you are saying but it's also a fact that some of the individuals (I'd say most) on the Sox Board of Directors / Owners are among the wealthiest people around. Regular working stiffs don't own part of a pro sports franchise Seriously I don't think they are going to go hungry if the Sox don't make say 20 million if profit and only make 18 million. Lip |
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There's a difference between making the playoffs and "making" the playoffs. The 2008 Sox won the Central because they were the least mediocre team in a woefully awful division that year. Everybody was aware of this and they were promptly bounced by a much better Tampa Bay team. I think people can forgive early playoff exits when you're the better team that just loses in a heart-wrenching way. Nobody considers the Nats' 98-win season last year a "fluke," even if they couldn't get out of the NLDS, but that's just because they got ****ed by the stupid 5-game series setup. But when you need an extra game just to get to 89 wins, that's not the sign of a great team, just the luckiest of the bunch.
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I take issue with this as I was one of those fans saying that. I guess it depends on what you call our fan base. I was angered at the end of the season when I am sitting watching a 1st place team, with their ace on the mound, in Sept. and there are only 10k people there on half price night. To compound matters, playoff tickets were sold out. So are we a fan base that refuses to the do the heavy lifting? Are we bandwagon fans? Are we die hards? I think the die hards were there that night and will show up regardless what the circumstances are. You would think bandwagon fans would be there as it doesn't matter to those fans what happened before or what will happen later, the now is the only thing that matters. But they weren't there. I think management wondered this too, which is why they did that huge survey and made price changes accordingly. This is not a unique situation, Tampa Bay, Baltimore are both in the same boat. But I know Baltimore struggled to sell playoff tickets, we did not. We'll see how this year goes, but if there are lackluster numbers even with the lowered parking and ticket prices, I don't expect them to last. We need to attract that casual fan. As a fan, I think there are a lot of excuses made on both sides. But when the Sox offer a Sunday game that a family for four can go to for $30 ( $5 tickets and $10 parking) kinda hard to blame the organization, in my view.
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We're a pretty pathetic sports town as far as accepting losing.
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What have they done since the WS? By Chicago baseball standards, they've been all right except that they have only won one post season game since 2005. The last year Ozzie was here was a joke. Just two years after the Series when they were still drawing, they lost 90 games. I, for one fan, have moved the goal posts. I have been going to Sox games for over 50 years and am not in the mood to settle for occasional success. I have already watched enough so-so and bad teams. It is time for this team to have some sustained success. That is not too mouch to ask and if ownership doesn't graps that, it doesn't understand their fans. |
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I think one of the things that happened after 2006 is that the well started running dry of homegrown talent that could either become a big contributor to the Sox major league lineup or be used to acquire some decent talent via trade. Remember, during this time Sox lineups featured farm system products like Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Crede, Rowand, Buehrle, Garland (acquired in 1998 as a minor leaguer from the Cubs), etc. The Sox also were able parlay some of their prospects for players like Garcia (for Olivo and Michael Morse), Vazquez (Chris Young), and Thome (Gio Gonzalez). There was that sweet spot there where KW was a master at shuffling talent for pieces they needed on the major league roster. IMO, once the talent pool in our farm system ran dry and the next round of Sox prospects turned out to be duds like Anderson and Fields, Kenny's "smoke and mirrors" efforts to keep the Sox in that top tier of AL teams started to crumble. He had a great run there in 2007-08 where he made a series of great trades (Fingernails on a blackboard ( ![]() Quote:
You're right that dynamic pricing and parking costs were also a factor. We'll never know what attendance would have been like last year if they had the $10 parking and $5 tickets on Sundays, etc. that they're offering this year. I just reject the notion that this is "on the fans". It's up to the Sox organization to build up the market for their team and it has nothing to do with Sox fans being lousy fans and that the Sox product on the field over the last 5 years proves that the fans just suck.
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I am a Sox fan but a fan of another football team besides the Bears that has won it much more recently and that does strike me as a little sad that the 85 team is still worshipped like they won yesterday, but that was a one heck of a team, so I don't think it's all that pathetic really. They were one of the better teams ever for that one season. At least Chicago fans can remember when the Hawks, Bears, Bulls, and Sox won. Philly has that one Phillie's title to brag about after all these years, and nothing since 1960 besides that.
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In regards to making the playoffs in 2008, things would have and should have looked much differently if TCQ didn't punch his bat and if Crede would have stayed healthy. Then we would have been a legitimate contender. Unfortunately those injuries did occur and we were doomed.
When facing any difficult problem sometimes you need to attack it from a different perspective. And this is what the organization has failed to do in my opinion. Nothing can change if no action is ever taken. So something has to give. Whatever the "philosophy" is they need to commit to something. You can always adjust one way or another but you have to at least start. So I hope the Sox don't continue to spin their wheels but instead take some meaningful action. |
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