White Sox Interactive Forums
Talking Baseball

Welcome
Go Back   White Sox Interactive Forums > Baseball Discussions > Talking Baseball
Home Chat Stats Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-01-2018, 12:27 AM
Lip Man 1 Lip Man 1 is offline
WSI Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chubbuck, Idaho
Posts: 33,205
Default Seattle Mariners story...

Pretty good one in Sports Illustrated this week. They spent a week with Jerry DiPoto the GM and looked closely how he turned that franchise around since taking over in 2015.

He made 70 trades in that time period the most in MLB and did things like bring in mental coaches and sleep consultants.

Recommended reading if you are interested.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-01-2018, 11:30 PM
Lip Man 1 Lip Man 1 is offline
WSI Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chubbuck, Idaho
Posts: 33,205
Default

Got done reading the story earlier today. Here is a partial list according to the story of folks hired by DiPoto who aren't actually connected to the team or coaches:

Staff chiropractors
Soft-tissue masseuses
Nutritionists
Mental coaches
Sleep specialist (with a sleep room off the clubhouse)
Team chef
Coordinator of Professional Development (She works with the players in confidence from everyone including the front office)
Mental skills coach
Clubhouse has a basketball court behind it and a pool table
Biomechanics expert
Assistant bullpen coach
Director of high performance

Pretty wild but apparently its working for them.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-02-2018, 12:22 AM
Mohoney Mohoney is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Posts: 9,624
Default

Serious question: What happens when the season ends?

Is this offered year-round to everybody on the roster, or is all the hard work and progress ultimately at the mercy of individual players continuing these habits on their own during the offseason?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsemaster Fred
This is the major leagues so get it how you live and letís fight tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-02-2018, 01:22 PM
Tragg Tragg is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Gonzales LA
Posts: 15,014
Blog Entries: 2
Default

The Sox and the Mariners were in similar positions. Both won 76 games in 2015. Both had GMs of dubious merit, highlighted by a series of less than exemplary drafts. Both had a few pieces of high end talent.
Arizona was in a similar position as well (79 wins in 2015), although their drafting was better.
Right at the end of the 2015 season, Seattle changed its GM, but did not engage in a tear down.
In mid 2016, The Sox decided to tear down, but would not change its GM.
At the end of 2016, Arizona changed its GM but did not tear down.

Which do you like?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-02-2018, 02:51 PM
Frater Perdurabo Frater Perdurabo is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 19,846
Blog Entries: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragg View Post
The Sox and the Mariners were in similar positions. Both won 76 games in 2015. Both had GMs of dubious merit, highlighted by a series of less than exemplary drafts. Both had a few pieces of high end talent.
Arizona was in a similar position as well (79 wins in 2015), although their drafting was better.
Right at the end of the 2015 season, Seattle changed its GM, but did not engage in a tear down.
In mid 2016, The Sox decided to tear down, but would not change its GM.
At the end of 2016, Arizona changed its GM but did not tear down.

Which do you like?

It depends. I'd need to know more about the quantity and quality of prospects in the Mariners' and Diamondbacks' minor league systems when they made their decisions, as compared to the state of the Sox minor league system when they started their tear-down, which either is demarcated by the Zack Duke for Charlie Tilson trade on 7/31/16, or the Chris Sale trade on 12/6/16.


FutureSox's 2016 midseason White Sox Top 15 (posted 7/28/16) included Collins, Fulmer, Adams, Burdi, Hansen, Michalczewski, Curbelo, Stephens, Adolfo, Engel, Fisher, Guerrero, Nunez, Coats, and Call. Their 15-30 included May, Zangari, Danish, Peter, Clark, Solorzano, Cruz, Hawkins, Zavala, Cooper, Alvarez, Ynoa, and Hamilton; and honorable mentions included Delmonico, Narvaez, Beck, and Lambert.



Was there enough in that group to augment the core of Sale, Rodon, Quintana, Eaton, Melky, Frazier, Abreu, Robertson, Anderson, and Kahnle? Was there enough in that group of prospects to trade for other teams' young players who would make a difference to push the Sox over the top? I'll even allow that the Shields trade was a preventable disaster, and Tatis would still be in our system. I'll also even allow that maybe the Sox still are in the position to draft Burger, Sheets, and Gonzalez in 2017, but they certainly would not be in a position to draft Madrigal in 2018.



What deals - specifically, dealing which players away for which players then in other organizations - should the Sox have made instead?


Secondarily, what different draft choices would you make among players who weren't drafted ahead of where the Sox drafted Burger, Sheets, and Gonzalez in 2017? And who would you draft in 2018, in the middle of the first round, knowing that Madrigal wouldn't fall that far?
__________________
The universe is the practical joke of the General at the expense of the Particular, quoth Frater Perdurabo, and laughed. The disciples nearest him wept, seeing the Universal Sorrow. Others laughed, seeing the Universal Joke. Others wept. Others laughed. Others wept because they couldn't see the Joke, and others laughed lest they should be thought not to see the Joke. But though FRATER laughed openly, he wept secretly; and really he neither laughed nor wept. Nor did he mean what he said.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-05-2018, 12:56 AM
Jollyroger2 Jollyroger2 is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,891
Default

Seattle was doing a lot with smoke and mirrors, winning a ton of one run games which was a credit, but their run differential hovered around 0 to +10 all the first half. Was only a matter of time until mathematically their luck would have shifted.

Since the ASG they've gone like 5-10 and have lost five straight, getting passed in the WC race by Oakland who at one point was 11 back of them.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-05-2018, 07:45 AM
Mohoney Mohoney is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Posts: 9,624
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragg
The Sox and the Mariners were in similar positions. Both won 76 games in 2015. Both had GMs of dubious merit, highlighted by a series of less than exemplary drafts. Both had a few pieces of high end talent.
Arizona was in a similar position as well (79 wins in 2015), although their drafting was better.
Right at the end of the 2015 season, Seattle changed its GM, but did not engage in a tear down.
In mid 2016, The Sox decided to tear down, but would not change its GM.
At the end of 2016, Arizona changed its GM but did not tear down.

Which do you like?
Honestly, the White Sox, because I donít see either of the other two teams ever getting to a point where they can win a World Series with the cores they have.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:55 PM.




Design by: Michelle

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Site-specific editorial/photos Copyright ©2001 - 2008 White Sox Interactive. All rights reserved.