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Old 04-27-2018, 09:57 AM
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Whoa this thread really turned into a Roman triumph overnight. Might want to tone that down until Moncada proves this isn't just a hot streak.
Really? How is this different than what you did in that other thread after he got off to a slow start in the first few weeks?
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Really? How is this different than what you did in that other thread after he got off to a slow start in the first few weeks?
It's not. I suppose the message is that it is fine to "worry" about a guy after two weeks, but not to express great excitement about him after four weeks.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:29 AM
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It's not. I suppose the message is that it is fine to "worry" about a guy after two weeks, but not to express great excitement about him after four weeks.
While that's true, we should apply our "give it time" mantra here as well. Otherwise we won't make it through the inevitable tough spots.
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In regards to strikeouts I came across this article the other day: https://sports.yahoo.com/baseball-st...050031337.html

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In 2008, hitters struck out 32,884 times. At the current pace in 2018, they will strike out 43,163 times, which would obliterate the record of 40,104 set last year.
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While that's true, we should apply our "give it time" mantra here as well. Otherwise we won't make it through the inevitable tough spots.
I completely agree with you.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:41 AM
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Really? How is this different than what you did in that other thread after he got off to a slow start in the first few weeks?
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:48 AM
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Between Moncada and the way Kopech is throwing at AAA and the great start by Basabe at A+- looks like a great job by Hahn in getting value for Sale,
Not sure which trade comes out the winner- the Quintana or Sale trade. The best part about the Eaton trade is that the best pieces seem to be coming from the back end (Lopez and Dunning).
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:51 AM
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/war/leaders

38th in all of baseball in WAR.

How does a .264 hitter provide so much WAR? I'm legitimately asking this, I don't understand how he can be projected so highly with 12 RBI's and the .264 ba? I don't understand how the stat works I guess.

I'm cautiously optimistic...I really want him and Eloy to be monsters so it's hard not to live and die with each game.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:58 AM
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How does a .264 hitter provide so much WAR? I'm legitimately asking this, I don't understand how he can be projected so highly with 12 RBI's and the .264 ba? I don't understand how the stat works I guess.

I'm cautiously optimistic...I really want him and Eloy to be monsters so it's hard not to live and die with each game.
A lot goes into it. Defensive metrics, OBP, runs, SB, OPS, etc. He has a lot more value that a batting average and RBI metric. The fact that he can slash all five tools will give him a high WAR, even though his "simple" numbers won't look as pretty as Baez, for instance.
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:55 PM
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How does a .264 hitter provide so much WAR?
A 35-homer pace, one of the highest walk rates in the majors, and really good defense, all while occupying a premium position, equate to a high WAR.

His OPS+ (The average MLB OPS is calibrated to 100) of 154 suggests that his bat has been 54% better than the average MLB player. His wRC+ (once again, the average MLB weighted runs created is calibrated to 100) of 152 reinforces this, suggesting that his bat has been 52% better than average.

Oh, and he has been hitting the ball harder than anyone in the majors. That statement is not hyperbole, either. That is extrapolated directly from the accumulated data.
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Why would a player swing at worse pitches earlier in counts to avoid striking out?
To avoid getting into 2-strike counts in the first place, in an effort to "be more aggressive at the plate."

I don't want any changes being made to his selectivity at the plate or to his approach with 2 strikes. I want him to be just as much of a power threat with 2 strikes as he is with no strikes, and so far, he has been. 2 of his 6 homers have come with 2 strikes.

I'm not asking a potential future MVP candidate to choke up on the bat with 2 strikes. I'm not asking him to lay down sacrifice bunts, either, but that is another topic for another day.
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To avoid getting into 2-strike counts in the first place, in an effort to "be more aggressive at the plate."

I don't want any changes being made to his selectivity at the plate or to his approach with 2 strikes. I want him to be just as much of a power threat with 2 strikes as he is with no strikes, and so far, he has been. 2 of his 6 homers have come with 2 strikes.

I'm not asking a potential future MVP candidate to choke up on the bat with 2 strikes. I'm not asking him to lay down sacrifice bunts, either, but that is another topic for another day.
So you don’t want Moncada emulating Frank Thomas or Miguel Cabrera in terms of 2-strike approach? Is that because you don’t like their approaches or you don’t think he can become proficient in doing so? Personally, I don’t see hitting for power and adjusting your approach with 2-strikes as being mutually exclusive (no need to choke up, btw). There is also no need for a hitter to swing at pitches early in the count that he does not like, regardless of approach. Doing so actually would increase the chance of striking out.
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To avoid getting into 2-strike counts in the first place, in an effort to "be more aggressive at the plate."

I don't want any changes being made to his selectivity at the plate or to his approach with 2 strikes. I want him to be just as much of a power threat with 2 strikes as he is with no strikes, and so far, he has been. 2 of his 6 homers have come with 2 strikes.

I'm not asking a potential future MVP candidate to choke up on the bat with 2 strikes. I'm not asking him to lay down sacrifice bunts, either, but that is another topic for another day.
I don't have the data to back it up, but it feels like Yoan is down 0-2 or 1-2 on the count more than anyone on this team.

That's the reason for his high K rate IMO.

I think he needs to attack earlier in counts, which kind of feels like he's been doing during this hot streak and resulted in crazy success.

And if pitchers see this from him it will make them be more careful and put him in much better hitter counts late in ABs. Results in more walks.
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I think one of the main things for Moncada is going to be improving from the right side of the plate. He might not be a great hitter left-handed at this point, but he's a very dangerous hitter from that side. Right side, not so much, and I'm sure it has a lot to do with just not getting that many ABs against left-handed pitchers. We'll see how he does against Duffy.

No matter what, I'm pretty sure Moncada is going to be a guy throughout his career who sees a lot of left-handed relief specialists when he comes to the plate late in close games.
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While that's true, we should apply our "give it time" mantra here as well. Otherwise we won't make it through the inevitable tough spots.
Those of us who are confident in Yoan's ability will make it through the rough patches just fine.
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