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Old 06-16-2017, 09:57 PM
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Default Rebuilding WHITE SOX Division and Wild Card Race watch

WC -3.5 from MIN
Div -4.5 from CLE

We are playing pretty good considered an unbalanced schedule (ton of road game). Our RD is +7 . No Rodon and no Shields and other pitching injuries. Off year for Q.

No rule against rebuilding and winning.

Big series against Twins upcoming,

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Old 06-30-2017, 11:26 PM
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Old 07-01-2017, 12:04 AM
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And tied for the worse record in the A.L.
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Old 07-01-2017, 12:48 AM
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Run differential by month:

April: +15 (98, 83)
May: +4 (140, 136)
June -30 (123, 153)

At the end of April, James Shields, Derek Holland, and Miguel Gonzalez each were top-10 starters in the AL in terms of ERA. When that situation predictably ended with the arrival of warmer weather, the team's fortunes reverted to the level we expected to see before the season started.

It is plain to see that the rotation is in shambles, so it's not really worth discussing, but something that is worth mentioning is that the lineup as a whole does not hit enough balls out of the ballpark. The team is only 10th in the AL in runs scored despite being 5th in batting average because of a decided lack of power (13th in extra-base hits).
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:03 AM
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Run differential by month:

April: +15 (98, 83)
May: +4 (140, 136)
June -30 (123, 153)

At the end of April, James Shields, Derek Holland, and Miguel Gonzalez each were top-10 starters in the AL in terms of ERA. When that situation predictably ended with the arrival of warmer weather, the team's fortunes reverted to the level we expected to see before the season started.

It is plain to see that the rotation is in shambles, so it's not really worth discussing, but something that is worth mentioning is that the lineup as a whole does not hit enough balls out of the ballpark. The team is only 10th in the AL in runs scored despite being 5th in batting average because of a decided lack of power (13th in extra-base hits).
The 2017 White Sox were put together to have an in-shambles rotation and and a thin bullpen. The offense is better than most expected, and so is the record. If the trade-off for home runs is more contact and higher batting averages, the Sox are probably better off and would be able to win more games if they played in closer games where they could manufacture meaningful runs.

I thought the Sox had a good chance of beating the Yankees Wednesday night when I saw that Cabrera cut the New York lead to 3-2 in the fifth with two on and none out. The next time I checked the game, it was just the next half inning, and the Yankees were leading 8-2.

The White Sox are going to win more games than fans projected here during that offseason because the better teams have a lot of flaws. But, obviously, if you don't try to build a winner, you even weaken major league team in the offseason, you aren't going to contend. And the lack of putting any effort into building a winner will keep the White Sox rebuilding for a while.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:29 AM
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The White Sox are going to win more games than fans projected here during that offseason because the better teams have a lot of flaws.
Not likely. They are on pace to go 71-91, they have trended noticeably downward with each successive month, and they are likely to be sellers at the trade deadline. Evening out the road-heavy schedule is not likely to make much difference to a team that is capable of getting swept at home by teams like the A's and had a below-.500 season record at home as recently as Thursday morning.

To quote the immortal Dennis Green:

"They are who we THOUGHT they were!"

Just for reference, here are the predicted win totals from the preseason prediction thread. It looks like many people were right on target.

70, 70, 82, 70, 65, 72, 75, 78, 77, 68, 66, 67, 75, 74, 68, 69, 64, 75, 67, 65, 71, 71, 70, 70, 68
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Old 07-01-2017, 04:57 AM
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The White Sox are going to win more games than fans projected here during that offseason because the better teams have a lot of flaws. But, obviously, if you don't try to build a winner, you even weaken major league team in the offseason, you aren't going to contend. And the lack of putting any effort into building a winner will keep the White Sox rebuilding for a while.
I don't know about that. This pitching staff is not very good and the defense is poor at best.

Those are the two components winning baseball is built on.

That said I like Renteria's sitting of Anderson and Davidson. Anderson's attitude is refreshing as is his approach to adding in extra work w/McEwing. My assumption is Davidson is working extra too.

I am positive about Renteria: he's been a plus.
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Old 07-02-2017, 06:44 PM
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The White Sox are going to win more games than fans projected here during that offseason because the better teams have a lot of flaws.
Meanwhile, two posts later, after verifiable evidence to the contrary is presented:

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Like many, I ignored the predictions thread.
That's called moving the goalposts.
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Old 07-01-2017, 12:14 PM
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WC -3.5 from MIN
Div -4.5 from CLE

We are playing pretty good considered an unbalanced schedule (ton of road game). Our RD is +7 . No Rodon and no Shields and other pitching injuries. Off year for Q.

No rule against rebuilding and winning.

Big series against Twins upcoming,

#WSRAW
I absolutely give you credit for your undying faith, but the facts are in that the only race the Sox are in is for the best draft pick possible. I was like you at one time and I'm sure many of the posters here were also.
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Old 07-01-2017, 12:44 PM
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WC -3.5 from MIN
Div -4.5 from CLE

We are playing pretty good considered an unbalanced schedule (ton of road game). Our RD is +7 . No Rodon and no Shields and other pitching injuries. Off year for Q.

No rule against rebuilding and winning.

Big series against Twins upcoming,

#WSRAW
I'd love to agree with you but we just don't have the starting pitching to make the post-season though I do think the hitting is pretty decent this year.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:01 PM
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It really doesn't matter much what happens on the field (as strange as that sounds).

Hahn has repeatedly told the media what the plan is, JR is on-board with it, the Sox are probably going to trade at least a few guys, they can't stay healthy and don't have the pitching.

It is what it is, which means a high draft pick next June.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:14 PM
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It really doesn't matter much what happens on the field (as strange as that sounds).

Hahn has repeatedly told the media what the plan is, JR is on-board with it, the Sox are probably going to trade at least a few guys, they can't stay healthy and don't have the pitching.

It is what it is, which means a high draft pick next June.
Ye. Honestly, at least this seems like a planned rebuild. I thought all of reinsdorf's frachises were incompetent, especially after the bulls trade of butler, but this is feeling right to me. Stay the course.
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