Jermy Reed

[MisterB]

Two points:

1) You can't trade players on the DL. Maggs was placed there 4 days before the Garcia deal.

2) Even the initial reports at the time Maggs went on the DL that second time estimated at least an 8 week stay. Frank was still active and wouldn't go back on the DL until 10 days after the Garcia deal.

Originally Posted by ondafarm

Afraid I have been saying that since the day this trade was announced.

Too bad you disregarded the other comments I made that blew your argument up....

[ondafarm]

Originally Posted by dcb33

Too bad you disregarded the other comments I made that blew your argument up....

Didn't disregard, was ignoring.

As for an arguement, anybody even Mags would have been preferable.

Untouchables in the White Sox organization are few: Buehrle and Thomas being the only ones other than Reed that I would have identified before the trade. As I said then.

Originally Posted by ondafarm

Didn't disregard, was ignoring.

As for an arguement, anybody even Mags would have been preferable.

Untouchables in the White Sox organization are few: Buehrle and Thomas being the only ones other than Reed that I would have identified before the trade. As I said then.

But you can't ignore those points. First of all, you can't trade someone on the DL, and second, Seattle would've had to agree to the trade, which they would not have done. When the deal went down, Seattle was already out of contention and not looking for someone to help put them over the top. They were done. They wanted to start unloading high priced veterans and older players for prospects such as Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo. Until these players do well, and considering most recent "Top Sox Prospects" have not, I'm not going to criticize the trade.
To get a player of Garcia's calibur, you have to give up players of value.

[rdivaldi]

Originally Posted by ondafarm

Untouchables in the White Sox organization are few: Buehrle and Thomas being the only ones other than Reed that I would have identified before the trade. As I said then.

What made made Reed untouchable? His .270 average at the time? His mediocre defense? His mediocre arm? His mediocre speed?

Besides his hustle and ability to take walks, the kid really isn't anything special. Maybe he'll blossom into a great leadoff man or maybe he won't. But I'd much rather have a proven frontline pitcher than a "maybe".

[JRIG]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Two points:

1) You can't trade players on the DL. Maggs was placed there 4 days before the Garcia deal.

Yes you can. It's just not done very often.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by JRIG

Yes you can. It's just not done very often.

I stand corrected.

The point remains: why on earth would Seattle trade for someone who was on the DL, was due $7M for what even under the best scenario would have been about 1 month of actual playing time, and would be a FA at the end of the season? No way that deal gets done.

[ondafarm]

Originally Posted by rdivaldi

What made made Reed untouchable? His .270 average at the time? His mediocre defense? His mediocre arm? His mediocre speed?

Besides his hustle and ability to take walks, the kid really isn't anything special. Maybe he'll blossom into a great leadoff man or maybe he won't. But I'd much rather have a proven frontline pitcher than a "maybe".

Have you seen him play? I sat between two scouts for Japanese teams for one of his games this past year and they both said he was the best player on the field.

Mediocre defense? His mediocre arm? His mediocre speed?

What is your definition of good speed, good defense and a good arm?

The same scouts, off the cuff, rated his speed just above, arm just below and defense equal to Ichiro at the same age.

[Silly Maggs]

Originally Posted by ondafarm

No, but he and Ichiro will work well together batting 1-2.

[rdivaldi]

Originally Posted by ondafarm

Have you seen him play? I sat between two scouts for Japanese teams for one of his games this past year and they both said he was the best player on the field.

Mediocre defense? His mediocre arm? His mediocre speed?

What is your definition of good speed, good defense and a good arm?

The same scouts, off the cuff, rated his speed just above, arm just below and defense equal to Ichiro at the same age.

Of course I've seen him play, and needless to say I was not impressed at all. He scuffled through ST and his time at Charlotte. Who was on the field when they said he was the best player, Borchard?

I love the kid's presence at the plate, but I seriously doubt he will ever hit for any sort of power or be much of a base stealer.

[MHOUSE]

How quickly we forget that we got Freddy Garcia in this trade. He is one of the best starters in the AL and was having a great season at the time. He pitched well for us down the stretch and we signed him to a very reasonable extension especially in comparison to what guys like Pavano, Wright, and Clement got.

You would rather have Pavano for 4 years $40 million? You're crazy. Pavano had ONE breakout season! Why would you rather have overpaid for that and kept Jeremy Reed than guaranteed yourself Garcia for 3 years especially after his success over the previous years? I would do that trade over again every time. Frontline pitching is a lot harder to come by than unproven outfield prospects.

[Shingotime!!]

He pitched well for us down the stretch and we signed him to a very reasonable extension especially in comparison to what guys like Pavano, Wright, and Clement got.

All i remember was a bloated era and a couple horrible starts which resulted in him going on the DL and missing the next 2 starts.