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Old 07-22-2014, 02:35 PM
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Default Yankees Acquire Chase Headley from Padres

Interesting. NYY didn't give up much and he could revive his career in that ballpark:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...e-headley.html
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:13 PM
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Supposedly the Yanks are talking to the Sox about Jon Danks also.

Mixed feelings on that...Danks still has several years on his deal and has 14 quality starts of 20 total.

It would be a clear salary dump, and a white flag on the season.
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:15 PM
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Don't be so sure of that!
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:01 PM
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Supposedly the Yanks are talking to the Sox about Jon Danks also.

Mixed feelings on that...Danks still has several years on his deal and has 14 quality starts of 20 total.

It would be a clear salary dump, and a white flag on the season.
Normally, I lean on the side of "go for it" but in this case...the Yanks have deep pockets and are loaded with catchers so if the Sox can get a decent catcher AND get full salary relief from Danks, I think you have to make that deal even when factoring in our current proximity to the 2nd wild card. Also, Johnny was paid to be a top of the rotation guy when he got that contract. At this stage of his career with his diminished velocity, I think he tops out as a solid #3 starter. I would much rather spend that $15 million on a guy like James Shields next year to sandwich between Sale and Quintana in the rotation.
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:16 PM
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It would be a clear salary dump, and a white flag on the season.
This season was a white flag before one pitch was thrown. That is not me saying that with any disgust or anger at all - we all should have known what this season clearly was intended to be.
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:21 PM
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I would take a peanut vendor for John Danks. Please be that desperate Yanks!
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:28 PM
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Normally, I lean on the side of "go for it" but in this case...the Yanks have deep pockets and are loaded with catchers so if the Sox can get a decent catcher AND get full salary relief from Danks, I think you have to make that deal even when factoring in our current proximity to the 2nd wild card. Also, Johnny was paid to be a top of the rotation guy when he got that contract. At this stage of his career with his diminished velocity, I think he tops out as a solid #3 starter. I would much rather spend that $15 million on a guy like James Shields next year to sandwich between Sale and Quintana in the rotation.
When Danks was signed he was paid as a top line starter but inflation has kicked in. 15M is way too low for Shields and the term will be long. At this point I wouldnt mind the Sox eating some of Danks salary and getting more return. I just got a sneaky suspicion a salary dump wont help the team much in the future. I dont see the Sox competing with the big boys for the top tier FA's and it will turn into "oh well we tried" as the money goes into the Sox coffers.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:29 PM
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Supposedly the Yanks are talking to the Sox about Jon Danks also.

Mixed feelings on that...Danks still has several years on his deal and has 14 quality starts of 20 total.

It would be a clear salary dump, and a white flag on the season.
Seriously? A white flag on what at best will be a .500 season? I don't care if the Sox are close to the 2nd WC position, winning that spot (if they could, which I seriously doubt) does nothing to improve the club for the next several years. Trading Danks and getting back possibly one of the C prospects the Yankees have as well as salary relief is more important than winning the 2nd WC spot.

This is not the KW era any longer. Fans have to accept that the Sox for the next couple years are not going to go down the path KW chose and try to be competitive every year. If a move can be made that is going to benefit the team for the next several years then that move should be made.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:48 PM
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Seriously? A white flag on what at best will be a .500 season? I don't care if the Sox are close to the 2nd WC position, winning that spot (if they could, which I seriously doubt) does nothing to improve the club for the next several years. Trading Danks and getting back possibly one of the C prospects the Yankees have as well as salary relief is more important than winning the 2nd WC spot.

This is not the KW era any longer. Fans have to accept that the Sox for the next couple years are not going to go down the path KW chose and try to be competitive every year. If a move can be made that is going to benefit the team for the next several years then that move should be made.
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Old 07-22-2014, 06:03 PM
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When Danks was signed he was paid as a top line starter but inflation has kicked in. 15M is way too low for Shields and the term will be long. At this point I wouldnt mind the Sox eating some of Danks salary and getting more return. I just got a sneaky suspicion a salary dump wont help the team much in the future. I dont see the Sox competing with the big boys for the top tier FA's and it will turn into "oh well we tried" as the money goes into the Sox coffers.
The Sox have always shown the willingness to spend like an upper mid-market team. They get a set budget number from JR and they usually spend around that number and don't go a penny more. For this reason, I'd be surprised if all the expiring contracts don't get reallocated to new players.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:42 PM
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Seriously? A white flag on what at best will be a .500 season? I don't care if the Sox are close to the 2nd WC position, winning that spot (if they could, which I seriously doubt) does nothing to improve the club for the next several years. Trading Danks and getting back possibly one of the C prospects the Yankees have as well as salary relief is more important than winning the 2nd WC spot.

This is not the KW era any longer. Fans have to accept that the Sox for the next couple years are not going to go down the path KW chose and try to be competitive every year. If a move can be made that is going to benefit the team for the next several years then that move should be made.

If the Sox could land a decent catching prospect, that changes it up for me rather quickly. I was hearing the Sox would not get much but salary relief. Danks is still an asset , and if he wins 13-14 games, they could move him in the offseason for better prospects.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:43 PM
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This season was a white flag before one pitch was thrown. That is not me saying that with any disgust or anger at all - we all should have known what this season clearly was intended to be.
Agreed
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