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Old 05-29-2014, 02:32 PM
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The 3-0 green light is definitely one major philosophy difference between Robin and Ozzie's managerial style. During Guillen's regime, the 3-0 green light was rarely ever given and we had guys who could definitely handle it like Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye, etc. I echo the comments of previous posters that for the right situation and hitter, I don't have any problem with the 3-0 attack.
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Old 05-29-2014, 08:42 PM
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Inconclusive. Depends on the situation.
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I am of the mind that 3-0 count is the count where you wait for your pitch. If it's a strike, but not the pitch you are looking for, then take the strike. If it's your pitch, crush it.
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:17 PM
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I can't see somebody taking a 3-0 pitch if it is screaming "Hit me! Hit Me!"
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Inconclusive. Depends on the situation.
Definitely. It's all according to situation, but in general, I like that more green lights are being given to Sox hitters. It looks bad if the guy swings and makes an unproductive out, but there are times where it's a chance worth taking.
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I can't see somebody taking a 3-0 pitch if it is screaming "Hit me! Hit Me!"
I agree, but baseball history has been almost entirely about automatically taking the juicy meatball 3-0 pitch unless you are a superstar slugger. When guys like Alexei Ramirez and Marcus Semian are swinging away, I would say there has been a definite change in philosophy.
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Old 05-30-2014, 11:51 AM
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There's no right or wrong answer, except that saying never or always swing on 3-0 are both wrong. It depends entirely on the situation and the players involved.

Never swinging on 3-0 is like never swinging on 0-0. While you shouldn't do it frequently, if you never do it, you're handing the pitcher an outsized advantage. You have to do it at least once in awhile just to keep him honest.
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Old 05-30-2014, 02:58 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there have been at least two 3-0 HRs this year for the Sox? I seem to remember both Dunn and Alexei doing it.
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Old 05-30-2014, 03:02 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there have been at least two 3-0 HRs this year for the Sox? I seem to remember both Dunn and Alexei doing it.
I thought Abreu did it too.
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Old 05-30-2014, 04:37 PM
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I thought Abreu did it too.
I think you are right. Could be three HRs this year on 3-0.
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Old 05-30-2014, 05:13 PM
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The White Sox have hit two 3-0 home runs this year. Ramirez and Abreu hit 3-0 home runs in the game against the Diamondbacks started by Brandon McCarthy.

As a team, the White Sox are hitting .500 this year on 3-0 counts, that is on at bats that ended on 3-0 counts. They have two hits, the home runs hit on May 9. Excluding the 27 walks, in which hitters may or may not have had the green light to swing, the White Sox have only two at bats decided on the 3-0 pitch. Wednesday night Semien flied out on 3-0 to advance the winning run to third. Baseball reference says Ramirez made an out on a 3-0 pitch in addition to the home run, but I don't remember when or where. Dunn has not hit a home run this year with a 3-ball count.

In 2013, Konerko hit the only 3-0 home run as the team went 5-for-13 with 93 walks on 3-0 pitches.

In 2012, Konerko and Rios hit 3-0 home runs as the team went 4-for-14 with 113 walks on 3-0 pitches.

Excluding walks, in 2011, the Sox had only four at bats ending at 3-0. Dunn had the only hit, a double. Konerko and Quentin failed to get hits. In 2010, only Kotsay had an at bat end at 3-0, and it wasn't a hit.

The Sox do seem to have the green light on 3-0 more often under Ventura, but even this year, they have had 85 plate appearance through 55 games this year where hitters have gone 3-0 and are just 2-for-4. I don't know how many 3-0 pitches have been fouled off, and one of those outs was key in a win.

Maybe Sierra had the green light on 3-0 Wednesday night as well, but his hit came on a 3-2 pitch.
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