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Old 01-17-2014, 09:01 PM
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I don't totally understand what you're getting at here. This team is likely going to be bad either way with Semien or Beckham starting at 2B, and are very unlikely to add any expensive talent at deadline. Even if they were, it's not like these contracts would inhibit that.
I'm not advocating for or against either player, but clearly nearly nine million dollars is going to have an impact and very well could inhibit that.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:07 PM
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4 Mil for Gordon to be one of the worst 2b in baseball is kind of comical. 0.8 WAR last year, and for all this talk how great of a 2b he is, his measurables are unimpressive at best.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:10 PM
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I know it's a small sample size- but Beckham had a strong finish to 2012, a good spring training and start (before the April injury) and the 2 good months before starting to get banged up again- it looks to me that if he can stay healthy he may be turning the corner. I think he's worth one more shot- before giving up on him.
I would rather give the ABs to the guy who has the more likely chance to be our long term 2b, and that is no longer Gordon.

That said, he is a pretty popular player, so it might be worth it to not tick off the fanbase.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:44 PM
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4 Mil for Gordon to be one of the worst 2b in baseball is kind of comical. 0.8 WAR last year, and for all this talk how great of a 2b he is, his measurables are unimpressive at best.
Well, if 1 WAR costs $6 million, then .8 WAR for $4 million doesn't look ridiculous.

I agree with you on Beckham in the long-term, but I don't see Semien getting another year in the minors to improve his defense as a bad thing.
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Old 01-18-2014, 12:35 PM
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DeAza could be very good 4th OF on a contender.
No he can't. De Aza couldn't stay awake when he played everyday. Why do you think he'd be a very good fourth outfielder for any team, much less a contender? The guy got picked off nine times in 2013. And he had trouble fielding balls on the ground to his left or right, which pretty much means he had trouble fielding ground balls. That's not a good attribute for a Major League outfielder.

Hopefully this is only a prelude to finding a sucker to take De Aza. I'll be very disappointed if he remains on the team in 2014. He was the poster boy for the dumbest Sox team of my lifetime.
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:18 PM
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Hmm.. De Aza was being called De Awesome on this board for a while in 2012. Maybe in 2012 it was an imposter, maybe in 2013 it was. They probably signed him for 2014 because they're stupid. That's the easiest thing to say.
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:42 PM
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I would rather give the ABs to the guy who has the more likely chance to be our long term 2b, and that is no longer Gordon.

That said, he is a pretty popular player, so it might be worth it to not tick off the fanbase.
Find me more than 5 people who wouldn't come to a game if Beckham was gone.
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No he can't. De Aza couldn't stay awake when he played everyday. Why do you think he'd be a very good fourth outfielder for any team, much less a contender? The guy got picked off nine times in 2013. And he had trouble fielding balls on the ground to his left or right, which pretty much means he had trouble fielding ground balls. That's not a good attribute for a Major League outfielder.

Hopefully this is only a prelude to finding a sucker to take De Aza. I'll be very disappointed if he remains on the team in 2014. He was the poster boy for the dumbest Sox team of my lifetime.
There have been thousands of players in MLB history who aren't good enough to play everyday but make valuable bench/role players. Just like there are some pitchers have value despite not being able to start 35 times and throw 220 innings every year.

After De Aza, the OF depth is Jordan Danks and then maybe Jared Mitchell. Pretty much no reason to let him walk for nothing.
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Beckham definitely leads the league in apologists. I've never seen anything like it. He has the uncanny ability to turn some Sox fans into stereotypical Cubs fans.
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Beckham definitely leads the league in apologists. I've never seen anything like it. He has the uncanny ability to turn some Sox fans into stereotypical Cubs fans.
Oh, cut the ****, people are allowed to disagree with you without having to be insulted. Yes, we know you don't like Beckham. Some people do. Get over it.
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There have been thousands of players in MLB history who aren't good enough to play everyday but make valuable bench/role players. Just like there are some pitchers have value despite not being able to start 35 times and throw 220 innings every year.

After De Aza, the OF depth is Jordan Danks and then maybe Jared Mitchell. Pretty much no reason to let him walk for nothing.
I have no problem Danks as the 4th OF at a quarter the price.

You also have Leury Garcia who can play everywhere.

Dunn is more than likely going to be asked to play some LF whenever they want to get Paulie in the lineup.

So options are there.

I guess my whole problem with this is seeing how the Sox allocate every valueable $ of their payroll. We know they don't have the mega resources the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Rangers, Angels have. How many teams outside of those can afford to pay a back up 4th OF $4+ million for a season?

The catching position is still a mess. As much as his game is flawed, Saltalamachia signed for $7 million per season. That's less than what both Beckham and DeAza are going to make combined.

You also have Keppinger who will be riding the bench at about $4 million.
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I guess my whole problem with this is seeing how the Sox allocate every valueable $ of their payroll. We know they don't have the mega resources the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Rangers, Angels have. How many teams outside of those can afford to pay a back up 4th OF $4+ million for a season?
What are Viciedo, Eaton and Garcia making? About 3.8 mil combined? In that case you can afford a 4 mil dollar fourth outfielder. So the Sox are paying about eight million for OF...that's well below average I'm sure. Probably worth it considering Viciedo's borderline play and the fact Eaton and Garcia haven't played a full season of ML ball. I have a pretty high level of faith in Garcia succeeding, but any of them could bust.

If they don't bust, then you have a fairly strong LH bat you can plug in for half the lineup.

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Let's look at the positives - De Aza will be riding the pine on opening day.
If he is on the roster at all. Right now the Sox (and other teams') pursuit of Masahiro Tanaka is essentially freezing the free agent market for pitching and may be delaying some trades that will happen.

I still expect the Sox to deal for a catcher and there are some interesting options out there. The Rays still have three catchers on their 25 man roster, including Jose Lobaton. The Yankees have 5 catchers on their 40 man roster. The Astros may look to deal Jason Castro if they cannot ink a long term deal with him. Same goes for the Orioles and Matt Wieters.

Might the Sox look to deal with the Rays, Yankees, Astros or Orioles for a catcher for 2014? Very possibly. Might De Aza be part of such a deal? It wouldn't surprise me. We just have to wait and see.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:43 AM
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It's hard to believe anyone would want De Aza back or have anything good to say about him if you watched him play throughout the 2013 season. When is the last time a player got picked off nine times in a year? And he sucked in the field. Plus he constantly moped out of the leadoff spot.

I believe Hahn is going to dump him. If that doesn't happen, we have bigger problems than De Aza, and that might be the case considering Ventura has returned.
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No he can't. De Aza couldn't stay awake when he played everyday. Why do you think he'd be a very good fourth outfielder for any team, much less a contender? The guy got picked off nine times in 2013. And he had trouble fielding balls on the ground to his left or right, which pretty much means he had trouble fielding ground balls. That's not a good attribute for a Major League outfielder.

Hopefully this is only a prelude to finding a sucker to take De Aza. I'll be very disappointed if he remains on the team in 2014. He was the poster boy for the dumbest Sox team of my lifetime.
I agree with the primary priority being to trade De Aza as part of getting (hopefully a catcher) some talent to upgrade the roster-

I don't want him on the roster- but at that salary and with his history of production on offense- I think he'll have some value-
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