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Old 01-15-2014, 08:23 AM
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John Buck is Tyler Flowers, good power, lots of strikeouts, won't hit for average,shaky defense. Only real difference is Buck is more expensive.
He's a few years removed from it, but is capable of posting an obp at least above .300. At the low end he's still around it. Flowers had an obp of .247 last year though. Not close to the same thing. And while Buck is bad defensively, both our guys are another level of bad defensively. As in, don't belong behind the plate bad.
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:28 AM
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Buck's had fWARs ranging from 0.9 to 2.6 the past 4 seasons and is projected at 2.2 for this year. Flowers/Phegley combined for -0.6 last year. The Mariners signed him for 1 year/ $1 million. A 2-3 win improvement at the position would have easily been worth that as a stopgap if you believe at all in the whole WAR thing. I assumed the Sox weren't in on him because he would be too expensive, but that price is a downright bargain. So, indeed!
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Old 01-15-2014, 12:48 PM
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He's a few years removed from it, but is capable of posting an obp at least above .300. At the low end he's still around it. Flowers had an obp of .247 last year though. Not close to the same thing. And while Buck is bad defensively, both our guys are another level of bad defensively. As in, don't belong behind the plate bad.
My guess is that Nieto is almost penciled in for a spot and they want to give Flowers/Phegley another year. And to think that Flowers/Phegley can post a .310 obp isn't that wild.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:14 PM
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Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Angels owner Arte Moreno told me he is "very optimistic" about deal with Anaheim to keep team at Angel Stadium into mid-2030s.


Moreno said deal being discussed involves team paying for infrastructure improvements and receiving revenue from redevelopment in area.

Arte Moreno said Angels are still trying to improve pitching; they did not meet with Tanaka but he confirmed talks with Matt Garza.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:19 PM
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My guess is that Nieto is almost penciled in for a spot and they want to give Flowers/Phegley another year. And to think that Flowers/Phegley can post a .310 obp isn't that wild.
.310? Not even Viciedo's been doing that, and he's better than those two.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:20 PM
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MLB DAILY LINEUPS ‏@MLBDailyLineups 22s

#Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw-SP: Dodgers and Kershaw have agreed on a seven year, $215 million contract
http://bit.ly/1hrYP4v

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm
Kershaw AAV a guaranteed $30.71m over 7-years with $215m SGP with player opt out after yr 5; 1st reported by RamonaShelbourne ESPNLA
Kershaw now highest paid pitcher in terms of Average Annual Value in Baseball History




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Kershaw deal - $215M, 7 yrs with out after 5, per @ramonashelburne - is nearly same as deal #Dodgers almost struck with him last season.

The two sides were close on 210/7 before #Dodgers backed off. That deal also included an out after five years. Kershaw can now be FA at 30.
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:53 PM
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MLB DAILY LINEUPS ‏@MLBDailyLineups 22s

#Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw-SP: Dodgers and Kershaw have agreed on a seven year, $215 million contract
http://bit.ly/1hrYP4v

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm
Kershaw AAV a guaranteed $30.71m over 7-years with $215m SGP with player opt out after yr 5; 1st reported by RamonaShelbourne ESPNLA
Kershaw now highest paid pitcher in terms of Average Annual Value in Baseball History




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Kershaw deal - $215M, 7 yrs with out after 5, per @ramonashelburne - is nearly same as deal #Dodgers almost struck with him last season.

The two sides were close on 210/7 before #Dodgers backed off. That deal also included an out after five years. Kershaw can now be FA at 30.
Well, if there is a guy who looks to be a safe bet to live up to that contract, it's Kershaw. I think these large contracts are the new normal for consistent all stars.
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Old 01-15-2014, 04:05 PM
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Well, if there is a guy who looks to be a safe bet to live up to that contract, it's Kershaw. I think these large contracts are the new normal for consistent all stars.
I don't think there's any pitcher out there worth this absurd risk.
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I don't think there's any pitcher out there worth this absurd risk.

Chris Sale is sooo cheap compared to Kershaw...isn't his whole 5 year deal worth only 5 million more than one year for Kershaw? wow.
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Kershaw becomes first #Dodger to take piece of that #Dodgers $8.5 billion TV deal with his $215 million cut
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Old 01-15-2014, 04:29 PM
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I don't think there's any pitcher out there worth this absurd risk.
It's hardly absurd - it's the market. In year 5 of that deal, it will look much more reasonable.
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It's hardly absurd - it's the market. In year 5 of that deal, it will look much more reasonable.
Then he'll opt out and sign an even more absurd deal!
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Dodgers have free agent Bronson Arroyo on their short list of possible pitching acquisitions, sources tell @Ken_Rosenthal and me.

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Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Dodgers still want another SP. Tanaka an ownership call. Arroyo on short list of possible alternatives.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:54 PM
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It's hardly absurd - it's the market. In year 5 of that deal, it will look much more reasonable.
How is it the market if he's not a FA?

Only the Dodgers have rights to him.

Another stupid team bidding against themselves, this one even much dumber when the guy is not a FA.
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How is it the market if he's not a FA?

Only the Dodgers have rights to him.

Another stupid team bidding against themselves, this one even much dumber when the guy is not a FA.
The market is established by other pitchers. Going by AAV, after Kershaw, the highest paid active SP under contract are:
  1. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286
  2. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000
  3. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000
  4. C.C. Sabathia, $24,400,000
  5. Cliff Lee, $24,00,000
  6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000

It doesn't look at all unreasonable to think Kershaw is more valuable than anyone on that list.
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