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Old 12-26-2013, 09:33 PM
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The Sox have done very well retooling this year for the future. I think its time now to roll the dice and go after Tanaka. In the past 30 years the Sox have had one elite starting pitcher, BlackJack and Sale is right there knocking on the door. Thats 30 years of draft picks. The way baseball is these days, the Sox only way of getting a young elite pitcher is through the draft and as you can see that doesnt happen often. Money shouldnt be a problem going after Tanaka, it shouldnt hamstring the organization at all. Having two elite starters would put the Sox on the map and would lure FA's in the future. I am really tired of the Sox thinking small when they have the resources now to think and act big. I hope they are flying a slealth mission and are prepared to snag him to everyone's surprise.

Well at least I can still dream.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:39 PM
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The Sox have done very well retooling this year for the future. I think its time now to roll the dice and go after Tanaka. In the past 30 years the Sox have had one elite starting pitcher, BlackJack and Sale is right there knocking on the door. Thats 30 years of draft picks. The way baseball is these days, the Sox only way of getting a young elite pitcher is through the draft and as you can see that doesnt happen often. Money shouldnt be a problem going after Tanaka, it shouldnt hamstring the organization at all. Having two elite starters would put the Sox on the map and would lure FA's in the future. I am really tired of the Sox thinking small when they have the resources now to think and act big. I hope they are flying a slealth mission and are prepared to snag him to everyone's surprise.

Well at least I can still dream.
The offense is so far behind thay rolling the dice here might not make sense.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:56 PM
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The offense is so far behind thay rolling the dice here might not make sense.

Tanaka is 25, Sale will be 25, tons of money in the coffers for FA's, it wouldnt take that long.


And if you are right then Sale should be dealt.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:12 PM
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The Sox have enough money invested in relative unknowns in Abreu. Plus, in the Don Cooper era, they have not struggled to develop pitching nearly as bad as they have struggled to develop hitters. Personally I think any resources spend on exterior talent needs to be everyday, position players; they guys we can't seem to create in our own system.

But, I do like the attitude, and I won't be heartbroken if the Sox really shake up the baseball world. I just don't have a strong opinion, either way.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:15 PM
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The Sox have enough money invested in relative unknowns in Abreu.
Abreu is the only unknown the Sox have money invested in and unfortunately the other is known, Danks.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:34 PM
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The Sox have done very well retooling this year for the future. I think its time now to roll the dice and go after Tanaka. In the past 30 years the Sox have had one elite starting pitcher, BlackJack and Sale is right there knocking on the door. Thats 30 years of draft picks. The way baseball is these days, the Sox only way of getting a young elite pitcher is through the draft and as you can see that doesnt happen often. Money shouldnt be a problem going after Tanaka, it shouldnt hamstring the organization at all. Having two elite starters would put the Sox on the map and would lure FA's in the future. I am really tired of the Sox thinking small when they have the resources now to think and act big. I hope they are flying a slealth mission and are prepared to snag him to everyone's surprise.

Well at least I can still dream.
I don't think the issue is the Sox have been thinking too small- but that when they've decided to "think big"- it's been hit and miss- alot of money to Dunn, Peavy, Danks and Rios in the past few years- without alot to show for it for different reasons.

I've thought they might be going stealth on Tanaka- JR has openly said they have more payroll available- and all of Hahn's acquisitions so far have been relatively low cost and under control for a number of years.

They might make a run- but hard to see them outbidding NYY or LAD-
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:35 PM
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Tanaka is going to cost $20 million a year most likely. I'd be all for it, because I think Tanaka is going to be a Cy Young contender for the next half decade. But that kind of move, sadly, doesn't fit with the way we operate.
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I don't think the issue is the Sox have been thinking too small- but that when they've decided to "think big"- it's been hit and miss- alot of money to Dunn, Peavy, Danks and Rios in the past few years- without alot to show for it for different reasons.

I've thought they might be going stealth on Tanaka- JR has openly said they have more payroll available- and all of Hahn's acquisitions so far have been relatively low cost and under control for a number of years.

They might make a run- but hard to see them outbidding NYY or LAD-
When I said think small, I meant the present with their current moves.

They may be outbid by yanks or dodgers but it still would be nice to see they tried.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:45 PM
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I would rather not tie up money in Tanaka at this time. It remains to be seen how all the pieces Hahn has picked up this offseason will pan out/progress. I say the Sox should continue to rebuild through the draft/trades. The other thing that scares me is that this year teams have opened up their wallets after showing some restraint for a few years. I think the price tag for Tanaka is going to be sky high.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:49 PM
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The other thing that scares me is that this year teams have opened up their wallets after showing some restraint for a few years. I think the price tag for Tanaka is going to be sky high.
He wont be cheap but the way things are going I dont see salaries going down in the coming years. Money is pouring in, clubs value is increasing and profits are very good.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:59 PM
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Does anyone know more about Tanaka's projection as an MLB pitcher? I feel like I've seen a lot written up regarding the posting system and NPB and MLB negotiating over changes to it, but relatively little scouting when it comes to Tanaka himself.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:00 PM
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I was thinking, if the money is laid out the Sox should try to make arrangements with Gooch and Shingo to knock on Tanaka door with both wearing their World Series Rings.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:19 PM
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I was thinking, if the money is laid out the Sox should try to make arrangements with Gooch and Shingo to knock on Tanaka door with both wearing their World Series Rings.
Also tell him to ignore whatever that guy Fukudome says.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:31 PM
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Does anyone know more about Tanaka's projection as an MLB pitcher? I feel like I've seen a lot written up regarding the posting system and NPB and MLB negotiating over changes to it, but relatively little scouting when it comes to Tanaka himself.
Traditional arm angle, small concern on body (especially back and head placement) through delivery, but there's a lot worse. Lands good. It looks fixable.

Sits low 90's normally on four seamer, can dial beyond 96 when he needs it. His other fastball is that "shoot" pitch. It acts like a 2 seamer. He averages about 93 on it. It gets tremendous movement and he commands it well. Virtually unhittable to right handers inside (he gave up like 10 hits on it the last couple of years), rough outside pitch for lefties. Think Mariano Rivera's cutter, only more movement and just as much command. And velocity is still climbing for him steadily every year.

His slider is a good pitch, but it's not a sweeper. He can throw it for strikes at will. It's tougher on righties, as basically an off-speed offering. He throws a forkball that's much much much better, but for some reason he doesn't throw it as often. That'll probably change when he comes over. It might, crazily, be his best pitch.

He also mixes in a cutter and an actual change, but it's rare. Last year he started working on a slow curveball, and it was seen a little more often as the year went on. He throws it SLOW...somewhere around 70-72 mph. If he can get that working, he'll just be plain nuts.

There's a reason teams are falling over themselves for this guy. It isn't that far fetched that he comes over an is immediately the best pitcher in baseball.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:51 PM
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Traditional arm angle, small concern on body (especially back and head placement) through delivery, but there's a lot worse. Lands good. It looks fixable.

Sits low 90's normally on four seamer, can dial beyond 96 when he needs it. His other fastball is that "shoot" pitch. It acts like a 2 seamer. He averages about 93 on it. It gets tremendous movement and he commands it well. Virtually unhittable to right handers inside (he gave up like 10 hits on it the last couple of years), rough outside pitch for lefties. Think Mariano Rivera's cutter, only more movement and just as much command. And velocity is still climbing for him steadily every year.

His slider is a good pitch, but it's not a sweeper. He can throw it for strikes at will. It's tougher on righties, as basically an off-speed offering. He throws a forkball that's much much much better, but for some reason he doesn't throw it as often. That'll probably change when he comes over. It might, crazily, be his best pitch.

He also mixes in a cutter and an actual change, but it's rare. Last year he started working on a slow curveball, and it was seen a little more often as the year went on. He throws it SLOW...somewhere around 70-72 mph. If he can get that working, he'll just be plain nuts.

There's a reason teams are falling over themselves for this guy. It isn't that far fetched that he comes over an is immediately the best pitcher in baseball.
If his two seamer is better than Mariano's cutter, ain't no way his splitter is his best pitch.
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