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Old 12-15-2013, 06:55 PM
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You just said you don't think any team wants Dunn and then said you can only trade him to a contender. LOL.
If you don't read what I wrote, you can LOL all you want.

I wrote that I don't think any team would want him as an everyday player. The only interest I would see would be from a team having in him is as a pinch-hitter, late in the season in a divisional race. After the rosters expand, you wouldn't even have to decide whose spot he would take on your 25-man roster.

Dunn's value is limited. He doesn't play defense well. He doesn't hit left-handed pitching well, especially left-handed relief, which he is more likely to face late in games. If a team is contending in the American League, you would expect it already to have better options for DH. But if you are a contender looking for a left-handed bat off the bench, you might pick him up on waivers if you only have to worry about paying his inflated salary for about six weeks or less.

Unless Dunn finds the inspiration inside him to have a strong season heading into free agency in stark contrast to the first three years of his contract, I don't see the White Sox getting much if anything in trade for him. Players coming to the end of their contracts don't generally have big value in trade, and when you have a player who is more tradable because he is coming to the end of his contract, his value is even less. I see a waiver deal more likely than a pre-deadline deal. But I think it is possible he could disappear from the Sox late in the season.
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Old 12-15-2013, 07:46 PM
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I wrote this about six months ago, but Dunn right now is strikingly similar to Greg Luzinski in 1984. The statistics are eerie. In fact, Bull's 1984 numbers were BETTER than Dunn's in some categories last year, particularly BA and on-base. Dunn had more homers and thus higher slugging. Still, Luzinski fell off the cliff basically in one season and retired. Dunn's been doing it over the course of the past three years, and that includes a comeback POY award in 2012 when he batted .204. Just unreal and unimaginable.

I wouldn't call Dunn the most despised Sox player ever. He's been self-deprecating, if not almost apologetic, in interviews. I can't blame him for not walking away from the money. I'd like to see him work harder, but none of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes. Just got to hope for the best in 2014. I think Dunn does better when playing the field because he has something else to focus on, and my crazy ass theory would be to start him in LF to get him into shape and focus. Defense suffers, but this was always most successful when it was a softball team at the corners.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:50 PM
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It's talking about overall DH production. Konerko killed us as a DH, not Dunn. Dunn was the 6th most productive DH last year.
What is your source for this ranking? How are you defining "most productive"?

Konerko had exactly 5% of all DH PA's for the Sox- his .281 BA and .362 OBP did not "kill us" as a DH-
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:03 PM
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What is your source for this ranking? How are you defining "most productive"?
On the ESPN site, if you just go by who was labeled a DH. - you get Dunn, Vmart, Morales, Pujols, Butler, and Ortiz as the only guys who Qualified as DH last year based on PA.

6th out of 6 is 6th most productive.

For the record PK put up better stats at DH last year.

.184 .269 .386 .655 - Dunn 2013 as DH (74 games)
.242 .303 .379 .682 - PK 2013 as DH (50 games)
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:18 PM
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What is your source for this ranking? How are you defining "most productive"?

Konerko had exactly 5% of all DH PA's for the Sox- his .281 BA and .362 OBP did not "kill us" as a DH-
How is that possible? He started 50 games at DH.

I knew Dunn's production was better at 1st, but I didn't realize it was that much better. I was wrong.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:38 PM
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Milwaukee is looking for a power hitting 1B, and Dunn has proven that he hits better when playing in the field.

Do they have a bad contract they'd like to unload (not named Ryan Braun) where the money would be a wash?
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:43 PM
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Milwaukee is looking for a power hitting 1B, and Dunn has proven that he hits better when playing in the field.

Do they have a bad contract they'd like to unload (not named Ryan Braun) where the money would be a wash?
Only bad contract that stands out is Rickie Weeks.

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Old 12-16-2013, 12:19 AM
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That's the non-guaranteed Cubs philosophy right now that has them spinning their wheels after three years. Hahn's three acquisitions over the past five months (Garcia, Abreau and Eaton) have the Sox, believe it or not, closer now to winning a championship than the Cubs. Hahn is going for young, but major league ready, talent.
Their philosophy in and of itself isn't why the Cubs are still spinning their wheels. They're spinning their wheels because Jed Hoyer hasn't been very good at executing the philosophy. So far, Rick Hahn's trades have been far, far better than Jed Hoyer's.
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