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Old 12-11-2013, 11:05 AM
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This is 100 percent setting up for Paulie to take over as manager next year after Robin doesn't resign.
I think you're right... However does he want the job?
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:08 AM
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I think you're right... However does he want the job?
I would hope that they would know the answer to that already.
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:11 AM
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I would hope that they would know the answer to that already.
I would like to see PK get some seasoning as a hitting instructor first. He seems like a perfect fit for that kind of a job especially given the way he managed to improve with age by conquering his personal hitting demons where he would obsess over missing pitches and it would put him in a funk.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:55 PM
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In 2015 Dunn will be gone, Viciedo will have failed and Paulie will have a bounce back year that gets him another contract as the Sox DH
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:57 PM
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No.

Dunn is well beyond those two in terms of hitting. Career numbers:

Dunn: .238 BA, .366 OBP, .861 OPS, 124 OPS+, 349 oWAR
Kingman: .236 BA, .302 OBP, .780 OPS, 115 OPS+, 237 oWAR
Deer: .220 BA, .324 OBP, .766 OPS, 109 OPS+, 148 oWAR
Oh I don't know. Kingman and Dunn were very similar hitters. Kingman thinner and gangly and Dunn with a bigger build. Kingman could be possessed of a brittle and curt personality, while Dunn appears much more sociable. Both could hit the hell out of the ball. Kingman as a Cub once hit a one handed home run in Wrigley Field and I'm not kidding about that. He also hit this one.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...aveland-avenue

In 2012 we went to the Trop Dome to try and break our 0-5 streak. Chris Sale and Matt Moore were locked up in a duel. In the 6th, the Sox down 1-0, Dunn hit a long tall rocket to right field. He just crushed it. I jumped out of my seat and said something like holy expletive. Me, dumbass that I was that day had our upper deck seats among the cowbells, when I could have had us with the friendlies along the third base line who cheered for the good guys all game long. Just say I sat down subject to some hostile stares.

Kingman and Dunn could hit some homers that you'd never forget but both much too one dimensional and subject to slumps and very bad outs. I give Dunn credit for hanging in there in 2011. Never saw anything like that since Steve Blass, and he of course was a pitcher.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:34 PM
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Oh I don't know. Kingman and Dunn were very similar hitters.
The resounding difference in OBP and OPS would suggest otherwise. Both loved to swing hard and knock the ball out of the park, but Dunn's ability to take a pitch and draw walks puts him in a different class.
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:52 PM
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This is 100 percent setting up for Paulie to take over as manager next year after Robin doesn't resign.
I certainly think a major reason for this is to have Konkero there to keep the clubhouse in order, especially in losing streaks or when Ventura makes a boneheaded decision, or to perhaps talk him off something silly before it's too late.
He very well may be there to take over. But I'd sure like him to put 3-4 years in the minors or on anther team's bench first.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:17 PM
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He very well may be there to take over. But I'd sure like him to put 3-4 years in the minors or on anther team's bench first.
In this organization? Nah - who needs experience?
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:44 PM
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Konerko would have gotten nothing on the free agent market since no team would have been dumb enough to sign him.

In the Tribune this past Sunday (can't remember which article it was, either by Haugh or the Sox beat writer), Konerko said the deciding factor for him to return was that he got a call from a 2013 playoff team expressing interest. That's when he knew he could come back.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:48 PM
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Dunn's numbers obviously padded by getting pitched around in the middle of crap lineups playing meaningless games in the NL central
Meaningless? Dunn single-handidly eliminated the Cubs from the 2004 playoffs. (also some credit to Austin Kearns)
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In this organization? Nah - who needs experience?
Well, not the Cardinals or Tigers, but they've only been in the World Series in the past 2 seasons, so what do they know?
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:06 AM
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In the Tribune this past Sunday (can't remember which article it was, either by Haugh or the Sox beat writer), Konerko said the deciding factor for him to return was that he got a call from a 2013 playoff team expressing interest. That's when he knew he could come back.
and then signed with a 2014 playoff team
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:24 AM
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The resounding difference in OBP and OPS would suggest otherwise. Both loved to swing hard and knock the ball out of the park, but Dunn's ability to take a pitch and draw walks puts him in a different class.
I understand. I just don't put OBP on a pedestal. Especially for a hitter like Dunn.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:50 AM
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Well, not the Cardinals or Tigers, but they've only been in the World Series in the past 2 seasons, so what do they know?
Ausmus' qualifications - not great, but better than Ventura's zero.

Matheny's an outlier. This dicussion has been had before.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:57 AM
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Ausmus' qualifications - not great, but better than Ventura's zero.

Matheny's an outlier. This dicussion has been had before.
And Ventura's team with zero experience won 85 games. He then acquired this "needed" experience, and the team won 63 games. And the funny thing is, the people complaining, have zero experience, so using their very own criteria, their opinions are totally worthless.
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