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Old 11-24-2013, 02:29 PM
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To be quite honest, I almost feel that a GM in today's game has to be open to trading anyone. Unless you have the second coming of Willie Mays, you should be movable for the right price.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:15 PM
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To be quite honest, I almost feel that a GM in today's game has to be open to trading anyone. Unless you have the second coming of Willie Mays, you should be movable for the right price.
Well actually a fair number of players have 10/5, no trade or no partial trade clauses in their contracts.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:31 PM
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I don't understand why we obsess over trading Sale considering most rumors are user-generated and entirely speculative.

Sale is a top of the rotation starter with no earnest projections that his longevity is questionable. Even if you were to trade him for some equivalent offensive talent (considering a metric that could make such a judgement exists) like Puig, it would just improve one facet of our team at the expensive of another. Our scouting has either been fairly good or exceedingly lucky at acquiring and/or developing pitching talent, which is good. Why can't we seem to develop any projectable outfield talent? That's a seemingly easier gamble to make than doing the same with pitching.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:19 PM
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Well actually a fair number of players have 10/5, no trade or no partial trade clauses in their contracts.
Most players with 10/5 rights or no trade clauses would waive the rights to go to a contender.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:20 PM
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I don't understand why we obsess over trading Sale considering most rumors are user-generated and entirely speculative.

Sale is a top of the rotation starter with no earnest projections that his longevity is questionable. Even if you were to trade him for some equivalent offensive talent (considering a metric that could make such a judgement exists) like Puig, it would just improve one facet of our team at the expensive of another. Our scouting has either been fairly good or exceedingly lucky at acquiring and/or developing pitching talent, which is good. Why can't we seem to develop any projectable outfield talent? That's a seemingly easier gamble to make than doing the same with pitching.
The answer to your question on why the offensive talent doesn't develop is simple. During the KW era, the Sox drafted players almost exclusively based upon their overall athletic ability as opposed to a specific baseball skillset that the player may have possessed. I understand the idea behind drafting that way, but in practice it turned into a disaster.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:20 PM
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Most players with 10/5 rights or no trade clauses would waive the rights to go to a contender.

You would think so but even that is still an issue w some players. Soriano turned down a trade to San Fran., Upton had a no trade to Boston and even Rios had a no trade to Yankees. Cliff Lee and Chase Utley each have 21 teams they will not play for.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:19 PM
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You would think so but even that is still an issue w some players. Soriano turned down a trade to San Fran., Upton had a no trade to Boston and even Rios had a no trade to Yankees. Cliff Lee and Chase Utley each have 21 teams they will not play for.
I don't believe the Sox have a single player on their roster who qualifies as 10/5 though. Only PK would fit that bill if he were to stay.
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