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Old 11-14-2013, 04:09 PM
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It will be tough to be worse than last year.

I know people will look at teams that have gone from worst to first and think "Well, it's a crapshoot," but it isn't. If it was really a crapshoot, you wouldn't see too many repeat World Series champs. They are cherrypicking times when that happened while completely ignoring the *huge* number of times it has not.
Generally, worst to first teams were worst for a while and it's the culmination of years of development.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:47 PM
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Generally, worst to first teams were worst for a while and it's the culmination of years of development.
Or not. That may have been the case with the Red Sox of 1967, but not with the Red Sox of 2013.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:03 PM
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It's a long shot- but I'm not giving up on a season before Memorial Day- much less Opening Day or in November of the offseason.

The 1972, 1977, 1990 White Sox teams all came out of nowhere- and while the 2005 team wasn't a complete surprise- no one could have predicted the huge improvement vs. 2004.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:29 PM
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Or not. That may have been the case with the Red Sox of 1967, but not with the Red Sox of 2013.
Yeah but the 2012 Red Sox suffered because of injuries and bad team chemistry and were actually not a bad team. They still had high end pitchers and position players, and then added to that more high end players (and high end prospects). The 2013 White Sox suffered from fielding amongst the worst 25 guys in baseball as a team. It's not the same thing.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:30 PM
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It's a long shot- but I'm not giving up on a season before Memorial Day- much less Opening Day or in November of the offseason.

The 1972, 1977, 1990 White Sox teams all came out of nowhere- and while the 2005 team wasn't a complete surprise- no one could have predicted the huge improvement vs. 2004.
This guy did.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:23 PM
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This year's team could actually be worse, considering the young pitching is likely (I'm looking squarely at Santiago) to regress (or continue to regress, in his case).
Why should Santiago get worse? It was his first year starting and he was jerked around between the pen and rotation for a month and a half.
Frankly, if we're moving a pitching, I'd sell high and move Quintana first.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:22 PM
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Bland you make me laugh. Trading Dunn is like a cat and mouse game? Give me a break, there is no team that is interested in Dunn. I think you've been saying that for two years...if there was, the Sox would have jumped all over an offer for a bag of balls by now.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:22 AM
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I'm thinking with my heart and not my head. Hell yeah, bring Paulie back if he wants.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:01 PM
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Bland you make me laugh. Trading Dunn is like a cat and mouse game? Give me a break, there is no team that is interested in Dunn. I think you've been saying that for two years...if there was, the Sox would have jumped all over an offer for a bag of balls by now.
You never know. The Sox had three years of terrible pitching from Jaime Navarro and, before the fourth year, were somehow able to deal him for Jose Valentin and Cal Eldred.

And Dunn's 2012 was actually OK. Some team might gamble on Dunn popping 30 to 40 homers and take a chance, particularly if the Sox pay some of his salary. He has more upside than Navarro did, that's for sure.
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:42 PM
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And Dunn's 2012 was actually OK. Some team might gamble on Dunn popping 30 to 40 homers and take a chance, particularly if the Sox pay some of his salary. He has more upside than Navarro did, that's for sure.
Dunn cleared waivers last year, no deal was made then, the only way one is made now if the Sox salt pepper more of his salary. Maybe even then it isnt doable, we just dont know.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:25 PM
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Who is more popular with Fans? Buerhle, AJ or Konerko? two of them are gone and the fans survived. Do we really need to see Konerko back and look miserable? Especially when the Sox could use that roster spot for something a little more versatile.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:15 PM
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Who is more popular with Fans? Buerhle, AJ or Konerko? two of them are gone and the fans survived. Do we really need to see Konerko back and look miserable? Especially when the Sox could use that roster spot for something a little more versatile.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:21 PM
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You never know. The Sox had three years of terrible pitching from Jaime Navarro and, before the fourth year, were somehow able to deal him for Jose Valentin and Cal Eldred.
Yeah; but we also had to give up John "5:00 shadow" Snyder in that deal!
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:37 PM
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I'm a little more optimistic than most about our ability to improve. I think defense is important, and ours was atrocious. And it's fixable fairly easily.
Offense is another matter....but they could make progress on that too if they try.
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:37 AM
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Why should Santiago get worse? It was his first year starting and he was jerked around between the pen and rotation for a month and a half.
Frankly, if we're moving a pitching, I'd sell high and move Quintana first.
That would be a HUGE mistake.
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