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Old 10-11-2013, 03:12 PM
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The line has to be drawn somewhere. Is it at 92? 93? 94? More?

At some point solely by numbers, 93 is power and 92 is not, I suppose. I have no idea where the line is.
It's not just velocity, it's also about command, usage, angle, movement, all sorts of stuff. I don't think anybody here is claiming that Quintana is a fireball guy like Aroldis Chapman, we're just suggesting the idea that he's a soft-tossing junkballer magician is a bit untrue, as well.
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:43 PM
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How about instead of having to use terms like "power" "fire-baller" or "soft tosser" we use what he is, a very good and effective pitcher that can, you know, pitch.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:20 PM
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I thought this post was about the Sox going after Granderson; not about whether Quintana was a power pitcher or not.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:43 PM
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It's not just velocity, it's also about command, usage, angle, movement, all sorts of stuff. I don't think anybody here is claiming that Quintana is a fireball guy like Aroldis Chapman, we're just suggesting the idea that he's a soft-tossing junkballer magician is a bit untrue, as well.
Before any of those things though, he's a guy with an extremely hidden ball. The discussion on Jose Quintana's effectiveness has to start there, because that's what sets him up for success. He hides it like a champ. I don't care if he's a fireballer or not (he's not though), more than anything it's the deception that defines him and allows him to be so effective. Take it away, and he's not going to be the same pitcher.
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:19 AM
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I thought this post was about the Sox going after Granderson; not about whether Quintana was a power pitcher or not.
I was going to post the same thing.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:47 AM
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I thought this post was about the Sox going after Granderson; not about whether Quintana was a power pitcher or not.
I can say without reservation (or referring to FanGraphs) that Quintana has a stronger arm than Granderson.
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:16 AM
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I thought this post was about the Sox going after Granderson; not about whether Quintana was a power pitcher or not.
The Sox should not pursue Granderson and Quintana is not a soft tossing lefty.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:33 PM
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I can say without reservation (or referring to FanGraphs) that Quintana has a stronger arm than Granderson.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:01 AM
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I read the whole article linked by the OP. I agree with the scout that this team doesn't need one guy, it needs six.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:50 AM
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And that's ridiculous.
I know! That was my point.
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:07 PM
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And that's ridiculous.
No it isn't. He did lose velocity this year (which is actually worrisome). But he throws on average a lot harder than Quintana (MORE than 2mph) and dials it up to 98 (whereas he used to be able to dial it up to over 100). It's a whole other league of velocity. The only reason to think there's not a line between these guys is to ignore reality. Quintana's TOP speed that he barely throws is closer to Sale's average fastball than Quintana's average fastball velocity is to Sale's average.
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No it isn't. He did lose velocity this year (which is actually worrisome). But he throws on average a lot harder than Quintana (MORE than 2mph) and dials it up to 98 (whereas he used to be able to dial it up to over 100). It's a whole other league of velocity. The only reason to think there's not a line between these guys is to ignore reality. Quintana's TOP speed that he barely throws is closer to Sale's average fastball than Quintana's average fastball velocity is to Sale's average.
Here we go again on Quintana; personally who gives a rats ass as long as he gets the job done. Back to Granderson I'm good with it.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:04 PM
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Yankees make qualifying offers to Cano, Granderson

I don't think I want the Sox to lose draft picks and pay upwards of $15 mil per season. I'd pass.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:58 PM
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Yankees make qualifying offers to Cano, Granderson

I don't think I want the Sox to lose draft picks and pay upwards of $15 mil per season. I'd pass.

The price of talent is skyrocketing. If the Sox want to compete in the future they are going to have to start ponying up. This is not an endorsement to go after granderson.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:26 PM
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Before any of those things though, he's a guy with an extremely hidden ball. The discussion on Jose Quintana's effectiveness has to start there, because that's what sets him up for success. He hides it like a champ. I don't care if he's a fireballer or not (he's not though), more than anything it's the deception that defines him and allows him to be so effective. Take it away, and he's not going to be the same pitcher.
If so, they haven't found it in 2 years. It's a little like saying if pitcher X loses his ability to hit the corners, or loses velocity, he won't be as effective.

Still, he's the pitcher I'd trade because we'd be selling high for a change.
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