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Old 09-26-2013, 09:49 AM
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If Reed indeed is finished as closer, its because Ventura messed him up by putting out way too many times.

What makes anyone here think that Ventura will not repeat his mistakes with a new closer?

Keep Reed, but with a new manager who understands how to handle a pitching staff.

Fire Robin Ventura.
That totally explains how Reed has appeared in fewer games than 20+ relievers in the league

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Two years ago, if somebody made this thread, would anyone have suggested Reed as a closer for 2012? Nobody would have, yet he did a fine job that year.
Yes they would have, Reed was tabbed as a closer of the future from the moment the Sox drafted him.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:14 AM
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He has lost velocity. Whether that's because his arm is tired, his mechanics are messed up, or his control is bad and he's aiming instead of throwing, who knows. But last year, he averaged 94.5 mph with his fastball, and this year it's averaging 92.7. Recently, it's been averaging lower than that. I'm not sure you can look at these and say he hasn't had some velocity issues:

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Old 09-26-2013, 10:30 AM
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Bill Melton pointed out in the Post game that the bullpen is equally as big of a train wreck as the offense.. He didn't specifically mention closer..
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:17 AM
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Good call. The difference between Reed and an 'elite' closer next year is probably the difference between 65 and 70 wins.
It's not really that. Bullpen arms is a priority...but to go find a closer and spend a bunch of money on him to pitch, essentially, one clean inning with no one on base to start, only to have to use Troncoso or Veal to get you out of jams is a bad use of resources. WE need several good bullpen arms; the closer will shake out from the pack.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:10 PM
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Also $5 mil. Who do you coinsider an elite closer????
Papelbon's making 13 million, which is crazy for a closer IMO.
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Also $5 mil. Who do you coinsider an elite closer????
Kimbrel , Rivera, Nathan, Chapman, Holland (this year). A WHIP around 1 and an ERA around 2. Reed is pushing 4 ERA and WHIP is well above 1.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:33 PM
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It's not really that. Bullpen arms is a priority...but to go find a closer and spend a bunch of money on him to pitch, essentially, one clean inning with no one on base to start, only to have to use Troncoso or Veal to get you out of jams is a bad use of resources. WE need several good bullpen arms; the closer will shake out from the pack.
Yeah so true. On the surface it is silly to worry about our closer role right now with the state of this team, but the discussion was about the relative effectiveness of Reed and it isn't good in my opinion.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:39 PM
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Yeah so true. On the surface it is silly to worry about our closer role right now with the state of this team, but the discussion was about the relative effectiveness of Reed and it isn't good in my opinion.
Throw another stiff out there then if you think Nate Jones or Lindstrom is the answer. You are bound to get about the same results.

I know it is fashionable to crucify a guy making next to nothing on a major league roster for being marginally effective at his job. We're all fans and we need a way to vent our frustrations. But really, if we had a Chapman or Kimbrel in the pen do you really thing we'd be much better off? If we did he'd have been traded at the deadline for a mid-level prospect.

Sweet Jesus, look at the big problems first. Half the lineup sucks ass.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:44 PM
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Kimbrel , Rivera, Nathan, Chapman, Holland (this year). A WHIP around 1 and an ERA around 2. Reed is pushing 4 ERA and WHIP is well above 1.
Reed's not all that great but so what?

Craig Kimbrel's WAR is a 3.3 and Reed's is a 1.2. Use whatever metric you want. Divine pig entrails for all I care. The Sox were not a good team and no matter how much you think 70 wins is preferable to 63 it doesn't really matter come October. Put a team on the field worth 95 wins then start to worry about who's hammering down the 9th.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:07 PM
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You can't judge a closer until he actually pitches in games that matter, which Reed hasn't. We're rebuilding. Give him some time.

With that said, I would trade him in a heartbeat for a good deal. We won't need a closer for a couple years.
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:46 AM
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Reed is not a concern for this team, he's done a good job for a 24 year old thrust into a closer's role. His peripherals were very good and much better than last year. He's a keeper.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:54 AM
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Closer's not a high priority. we just need a few more bullpen arms. Jones and Reed were worked a lot this year because of lack of any depth, especially after Crain went down. And we had a bad back of the pen all season.
I agree that closer is not a high priority right now. But the Sox have a fair number of holes to fill and I could foresee where they might move Addison Reed in the right deal.

If Reed were dealt, two in-house candidates to close that jump out to me are Nate Jones and Daniel Webb.
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Old 10-05-2013, 01:17 PM
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You can't judge a closer until he actually pitches in games that matter, which Reed hasn't.
Yes he has. We were in a divisional race last season. Reed can handle the mental aspects. He was overpitched in August (imo)and wore down. He's not great but he's good enough for us right now. And sure, move him in the right deal.
But no more giveaways. He's far from our worst player.
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