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Old 10-02-2013, 03:43 PM
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The Indians went 30- 8 against the White Sox and Twins, 62- 62 against the rest of the league. They will fall back in 2014.
Those kinds of cherrypicking of teams can be done for almost any winner/contender. I honestly don't think they mean much.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:53 PM
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I can't see how Santiago was "iffy" in 2013. Danks tailed off in the second half, but that should be expected from a guy coming off major shoulder surgery.
Santiago tailed off after the All Star game. His SO total really dropped off and opponent BA against jumped by over 50 points. Hopefully he just tired out

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Old 10-02-2013, 04:17 PM
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Those kinds of cherrypicking of teams can be done for almost any winner/contender. I honestly don't think they mean much.
Texas has an obscene amount of wins vs. the Astros and Angels and the Tigers have 27 vs the Sox and Twins, so I'd say that a few do.

But looking at the playoff teams, Cleveland is the least talented of the bunch, wouldn't you agree? Considering the Twins deep farm system and the Sox propensity to spend money for quick fixes, I'd say the Indians are likely to drop down into the low 80's in wins next year. No way they are going 17- 2 against us.
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:20 PM
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Santiago tailed off after the All Star game. His SO total really dropped off and opponent BA against jumped by over 50 points. Hopefully he just tired out
It's not unusual for a 25 year old pitcher that has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season to tire out in the second half.
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:25 PM
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It's not unusual for a 25 year old pitcher that has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season to tire out in the second half.
But, but, but, pitching more innings is CHICAGO TOUGH!
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:30 PM
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Those kinds of cherrypicking of teams can be done for almost any winner/contender. I honestly don't think they mean much.

I don't either. Think back to the glory days of 2005. The same cherry-picking was done with the White Sox who, we were reminded, had a losing record against potential playoff teams. And indeed, they did have losing regular season records against the Red Sox and Angels. And we know how that one turned out, of course-they blew first place and choked away the biggest lead in baseball history, just as the Chicago media predicted.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:33 PM
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It's not unusual for a 25 year old pitcher that has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season to tire out in the second half.
It's also not unusual for young pitchers to tail off because they're not very good and the league has adjusted. In fact, that is way more often the case. It should not simply be taken for granted that at 25 Santiago has simply figured it out. He's older for a prospect, and he doesn't possess elite talent. He's in the iffy category.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:36 PM
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It's also not unusual for young pitchers to tail off because they're not very good and the league has adjusted. In fact, that is way more often the case. It should not simply be taken for granted that at 25 Santiago has simply figured it out. He's older for a prospect, and he doesn't possess elite talent. He's in the iffy category.
That's probably how everyone sees him...iffy. No use giving him away. If someone wants him, they have to pay.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:05 PM
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That's probably how everyone sees him...iffy. No use giving him away. If someone wants him, they have to pay.
I want to like the guy, he's a stand up guy off the field. But this is the same guy we've always wondered whether he was good enough to be the long man or make the rotation as a five. Keeping his control for less than 100 innings of starting isn't nearly enough to make me change my mind.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:35 PM
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I want to like the guy, he's a stand up guy off the field. But this is the same guy we've always wondered whether he was good enough to be the long man or make the rotation as a five. Keeping his control for less than 100 innings of starting isn't nearly enough to make me change my mind.
I agree with your overall assessment, but even if Santiago does not develop into an everyday SP, he still absolutely has value in this league. I feel the same way about Reinzo, who I am not sure is cut from starting pitching cloth, either.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:36 PM
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I agree with your overall assessment, but even if Santiago does not develop into an everyday SP, he still absolutely has value in this league. I feel the same way about Reinzo, who I am not sure is cut from starting pitching cloth, either.
Oh definitely. I'm not sure it wasn't a mistake not to keep him a short reliever though. Time will tell.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:06 PM
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I want to like the guy, he's a stand up guy off the field. But this is the same guy we've always wondered whether he was good enough to be the long man or make the rotation as a five. Keeping his control for less than 100 innings of starting isn't nearly enough to make me change my mind.
I don't disagree, but let's see what we have before we give him away. No one will give us anything, unless someone happens to see something and really likes him (he did have good K totals most of the year)....in which case, make them pay.
Let's not forget- he closed our first win in 2012 at Texas. He's got some skills. I'm not one who believes you put your best reliever at closer anyway - that may end up being a good spot for him. Or late inning relief, with those K totals. We're not talking about a Veal here.
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But, but, but, pitching more innings is CHICAGO TOUGH!
It was a nice week while it lasted.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:34 AM
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I don't either. Think back to the glory days of 2005. The same cherry-picking was done with the White Sox who, we were reminded, had a losing record against potential playoff teams.
There's a difference between going 3- 4 against a team versus going 2- 17. The Indians are not talented enough to be a year in year out contender.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:51 AM
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It was a nice week while it lasted.
I believe there is an ignore feature. I always encourage people to use it in such situations.

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