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Old 10-01-2013, 11:27 PM
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Other than Dusty Baker, when was the last time a Cub Manager did anything significant in his managerial career after leaving the Cubs?

It's not the Bermuda Triangle, it's the Triangle Lot outside on Clark Street!
Baker was the first former-Cubs manager to have another managerial job at the major league level for years and years. Strangely enough, shortly after Dusty got hired by the Reds, Jim Riggleman was hired by the Nationals.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:14 AM
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Baker was the first former-Cubs manager to have another managerial job at the major league level for years and years. Strangely enough, shortly after Dusty got hired by the Reds, Jim Riggleman was hired by the Nationals.
...where he went 140-172. Maybe Theo should hire him back.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:10 AM
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Girardi via the Star Ledger: Our home has been here [in New York]. My kids are engrossed in schools here. I havenít lived there [in Chicago] since 2006. I have a brother still there, a couple brothers there, actually. But my fatherís gone. My motherís gone. So thereís not as much there as there used to be.[/I]
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:22 PM
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Just had a stroke.......
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:14 AM
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He ain't managing the Cubbies. Next story.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:54 AM
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I've learned more about Joe Girardi in the last 24 hours than I thought possible, here it goes: He's not coming to the Cubs because his kids, aged 14, 11 and 7, have no connection to Chicago; they are New Yorkers. He does not want to uproot his family for the ivy covered burial ground.

The sense of entitlement that Cub fans have just leaves me stunned. And it keeps swelling year after year.
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On Tuesday I listened for a short time to David Kraplan. The way they were talking I thought that Girardi had signed with the Cubbies.

IF it turns out that Girardi resigns with the Yankees, Kraplan's mancrush will quickly subside and he'll attach himself to whomever the Cubbies hire.

If Girardi spurns the Yankees, that door is closed. Girardi can always sign manage the Cubbies IF he leaves the Yankees.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:55 AM
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On Tuesday I listened for a short time to David Kraplan. The way they were talking I thought that Girardi had signed with the Cubbies.

IF it turns out that Girardi resigns with the Yankees, Kraplan's mancrush will quickly subside and he'll attach himself to whomever the Cubbies hire.

If Girardi spurns the Yankees, that door is closed. Girardi can always sign manage the Cubbies IF he leaves the Yankees.
He probably once heralded Sveum as the second coming of Casey Stengel.
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:46 AM
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Girardi, Yankees GM Cashman have a "good" meeting:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...-meet-contract
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:07 PM
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He probably once heralded Sveum as the second coming of Casey Stengel.
Stengel, who managed the Yankees to 7 world series titles, or Stengel who managed the '62 Mets?
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:04 PM
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Girardi, Yankees GM Cashman have a "good" meeting:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...-meet-contract

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Old 10-04-2013, 12:16 AM
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I wouldn't be opposed to that. There are worse hires the Sox could make for that position. I don't think Sveum was a brilliant manager or anything, but IMO, he was set up to fail by the Cubs' front office. Castro isn't near the player they think he is. I'm still undecided about Rizzo. I think they believe he is Joey Votto. He might be Adam LaRoche.
I'm inclined to believe maybe Rizzo, Castro, or Samardija might just not be that good. They're acting like on the radio like it's a foregone conclusion all these so called prospects are going to bloom into championship caliber players when in reality about 1 in 3 or 4 may turn into a serviceable player or better. Then the Cubs are supposedly going to surround them with superstar free agents. There are a whole lot of maybes and hoping in this ironclad plan . Sveum being fired may be the first dent in the armor, a scapegoat. Dan Bernstein was shouting down callers who dared disagree with him that the Cubs job was better than the Yankees at the moment . I agree with Hawk when he says a lot of these top rated farm systems are still perennial losers.Also there seems to be a big misconception that Theo built the Red Sox mini dynasty from scratch when in fact the team was ready to win right off the bat. There is no correlation to the total rebuild of the Cubs.

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.Also there seems to be a big misconception that Theo built the Red Sox mini dynasty from scratch when in fact the team was ready to win right off the bat. There is no correlation to the total rebuild of the Cubs.
WRONG. As a White Sox fan living in New England Theo made the moves that won in 2004. He acquired Ortiz, Millar, Shilling, Cabrera and Foulke and hired Francona as manager. In addition, he drafted Pedroia and Lester in 04 and folllowed that up with Buchholz and Ellsbury the next year. Those 4 are all All-Star calibre players.

I am glad he left Boston but his protege unfortunately is also having success.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:32 AM
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WRONG. As a White Sox fan living in New England Theo made the moves that won in 2004. He acquired Ortiz, Millar, Shilling, Cabrera and Foulke and hired Francona as manager. In addition, he drafted Pedroia and Lester in 04 and folllowed that up with Buchholz and Ellsbury the next year. Those 4 are all All-Star calibre players.

I am glad he left Boston but his protege unfortunately is also having success.
Right, but I think the point is that he got the Red Sox from Point B to Point C, they hadn't finished under .500 since 1997 and were in the postseason 3 of the 6 years prior to Theo's hiring. I mean, they were 1 win away from the World Series in 2003.

I'm not saying Theo didn't make some savvy moves to get the Red Sox over the hump, but to compare it to a total rebuild is a bit dramatic. 2 years into this Cubs experiment and the team seems to be spinning it's wheels.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:03 AM
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Right, but I think the point is that he got the Red Sox from Point B to Point C, they hadn't finished under .500 since 1997 and were in the postseason 3 of the 6 years prior to Theo's hiring. I mean, they were 1 win away from the World Series in 2003.

I'm not saying Theo didn't make some savvy moves to get the Red Sox over the hump, but to compare it to a total rebuild is a bit dramatic. 2 years into this Cubs experiment and the team seems to be spinning it's wheels.
But they won again in 2007 with many different players including those draft picks from 03-05 who all played in that World Series.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:54 AM
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But they won again in 2007 with many different players including those draft picks from 03-05 who all played in that World Series.
Yeah so he made some savvy draft picks and moves, but he had a base to work with when he took over , this is a much bigger job with so many more things that have to go right.
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