White Sox Interactive Forums
Sox Clubhouse
 Soxogram: 
Alright, time to see what all these changes will bring... GO SOX!

Welcome
Go Back   White Sox Interactive Forums > Baseball Discussions > Sox Clubhouse
Home Chat Stats Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 09-28-2013, 09:51 PM
Brian26's Avatar
Brian26 Brian26 is offline
WSI Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 28,376
Blog Entries: 52
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon44 View Post
I'm thinking the news somehow leaked, and Hahn told Manto tonight rather than him finding out on his smartphone.
Good call.
__________________


2013 Attendance Record: 7-9, .438
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-28-2013, 09:51 PM
Brewski Brewski is offline
WSI Regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Pleasant Prairie, WI
Posts: 482
Default

Does it seem like this ball team cans hitting coaches more often than other teams? Sacrificial Lamb, Scapegoat, Whipping Boy: You name it. Is he the reason there are zero plus OBP guys on the roster? It's a place to start.

Hahn does a nice press conference compared to Kenny. At least the writers have got to like his direct approach better.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-28-2013, 09:55 PM
Brian26's Avatar
Brian26 Brian26 is offline
WSI Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 28,376
Blog Entries: 52
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewski View Post
Does it seem like this ball team cans hitting coaches more often than other teams? Sacrificial Lamb, Scapegoat, Whipping Boy: You name it. Is he the reason there are zero plus OBP guys on the roster? It's a place to start.
The Sox went through hitting coaches like a hot knife through butter in the late 90s. Buckner, Ron Jackson, Gary Ward (did he have two tours of duty?). Things settled down a bit when Von Joshua came in before the Walker's close to nine year run.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-29-2013, 12:24 AM
chicagowhitesox1 chicagowhitesox1 is online now
WSI Personality
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Aurora Illinois
Posts: 880
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TDog View Post
A lot of that used to be Jeff Cox, who actually did some teaching at the major league level. Cox taught Ramirez how to bunt, Ramirez never having bunted before he came up to the White Sox.

Major league coaching is usually a maintenance thing rather than an instruction thing, although Ted Williams and Charley Lau did some successful instructing at the major league level. Minor league coaches are more often the instructors. Hitting coaches don't teach players to hit at the major league level. They work with them to get the most out of what they can do. Hitting coaches in some organizations and pitching coaches in others tend to be scapegoats. In a few cases (Rudy Jaramillo comes to mind) they get too much credit.

You would have to be part of the team, though, to know if Manto was a scapegoat or if he was having problems working with the hitters.
Yeah I think your right on this. Although I could be wrong but I did hear once that Manto instructed hitters to swing at the first pitch. If true, I can't see that being a good approach to hitting.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-29-2013, 08:56 AM
SCCWS SCCWS is offline
WSI Personality
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLE NELL View Post
Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
I posted a comment Dennis Eckersley posted after an early September Red Sox/White Sox series in Boston. The White Sox had made several bad plays:

1. A flyball that fell among 2nd/RF/CF gathering
2. A catcher throw into CF on a steal
3. A stolen base and neither 2nd or SS covered so no throw
4. A pop up at the mound that looked like a fire drill but was caught.

Eck then commented that the Red Sox both home and away have aggressive infield sessions before games.
Now Boston has had 3 different 3B and SS and 2 IB this season due to injuries and the Peavy trade so that explains some of the extra workouts.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-29-2013, 08:58 AM
delben91 delben91 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 6,363
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soxman219 View Post
Everyone needs to go
I agree, let's release the entire roster too. Sale and Garcia, time to get your outright release.

I don't understand this mindset. Does the vast majority of the roster and coaching staff need an overhaul? Yes. But to act as if there are zero players on the team worth keeping is just absurd.
__________________
I've been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-29-2013, 09:07 AM
SCCWS SCCWS is offline
WSI Personality
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boondock Saint View Post
This is a good point. Yeah, they can't hit, but they didn't do much of anything else right, either. Just firing Manto is a sacrificial lamb move, when the team needs an overhaul. There'd better be more coming.
According to ESPN article, Hahn said no other changes will be made and Robin will return.
Better than that is the Dunn comment that "You're not going to find a better hitting coach".....................................





http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...ach-jeff-manto
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-29-2013, 09:20 AM
SouthSideMike SouthSideMike is offline
WSI Regular
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 201
Default

Well, there's the scapegoat.

I'll admit that a few years ago I wanted Walker fired, but then I slowly came to the conclusion that it's more a matter of talent (or lack thereof) than the ML level hitting coach. We just simply don't have many good hitters on this team.

This is just to keep the fans with pitchforks at home, and they can plod through Ventura's final year and then maybe replace him. I knew the Sox weren't going to pay him to not manage next year, but they had to offer up some kind of sacrificial lamb.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09-29-2013, 10:24 AM
Tragg Tragg is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Gonzales LA
Posts: 12,583
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Next time, have your team work on fundamentals like fielding and baserunning, Mr Manto. And don't intentionally walk Chris Getz.

Ventura's incompetent even during garbage time. He puts L Garcia everywhere but SS, and when he starts, he leads off, even though he's the worst hitter on the team.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-29-2013, 10:29 AM
#1swisher #1swisher is offline
11 NFL 12&13PTC CHAMP
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 60610
Posts: 15,501
Default

Assistant hitting coach Harold Baines will fill the role for the final game of the season.
__________________
<font color=#0066cc>http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/v...pic10971_3.gif</font>
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-29-2013, 10:39 AM
russ99 russ99 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,355
Blog Entries: 1
Default

Not sure if this solves anything, since we need an organizational approach to hitting fundamentals, especially when it comes to pitch recognition, plate patience and how to approach an at-bat.

But if we're going to have a younger team next year, Manto needed to either change his approach or be gone to give these younger players a chance instead of always being behind the count due to the preached "aggressiveness".

You don't set up kids to fail like that, hitting is hard enough at the big league level to give the pitcher advantages.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-29-2013, 11:11 AM
Boondock Saint Boondock Saint is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Joliet
Posts: 17,833
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCCWS View Post
According to ESPN article, Hahn said no other changes will be made and Robin will return.
Better than that is the Dunn comment that "You're not going to find a better hitting coach".....................................





http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...ach-jeff-manto
Oh come the **** on!!!
__________________
Rock over London. Rock on, Chicago.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-29-2013, 01:05 PM
SBSoxFan SBSoxFan is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South Bend, IN
Posts: 2,800
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chicagowhitesox1 View Post
Yeah I think your right on this. Although I could be wrong but I did hear once that Manto instructed hitters to swing at the first pitch. If true, I can't see that being a good approach to hitting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by russ99 View Post
Not sure if this solves anything, since we need an organizational approach to hitting fundamentals, especially when it comes to pitch recognition, plate patience and how to approach an at-bat.

But if we're going to have a younger team next year, Manto needed to either change his approach or be gone to give these younger players a chance instead of always being behind the count due to the preached "aggressiveness".

You don't set up kids to fail like that, hitting is hard enough at the big league level to give the pitcher advantages.
I recall seeing a study several years ago that first-pitch batting averages were much higher. Frank Thomas' average was extremely high.

If a pitcher is going to grab a quick strike by throwing a fastball down the middle or nothing curve ball, the batter needs to kill it. I doubt anyone coaches to simply swing at the first pitch. The pitcher's tendencies should be figured out by reviewing tape and discussed in pre-game meetings.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-29-2013, 03:59 PM
TaylorStSox TaylorStSox is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Washington & Talman
Posts: 4,122
Default

I'm not one of the tinfoil hat wearers that constantly questions management, but I really think having Hawk break the news during the game is totally classless.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-29-2013, 04:12 PM
BainesHOF BainesHOF is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oak Park, IL
Posts: 2,831
Default

Did Rongey's head explode?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:35 AM.




Design by: Michelle

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Site-specific editorial/photos Copyright ©2001 - 2008 White Sox Interactive. All rights reserved.