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Old 09-23-2013, 11:59 PM
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Default More trouble for Halladay

Faced only 3 batters tonight before being pulled. He topped out at 83 MPH. Phillies are calling it "right arm fatigue."

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...-three-batters

Will be an FA this off-season. It's going to be extremely interesting to see what kind of market exists for him.,
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:33 AM
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Faced only 3 batters tonight before being pulled. He topped out at 83 MPH. Phillies are calling it "right arm fatigue."

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...-three-batters

Will be an FA this off-season. It's going to be extremely interesting to see what kind of market exists for him.,
He had shoulder surgery a few years ago, correct? It seems like once a pitcher suffers a shoulder injury, they just aren't the same anymore. Being 36 doesn't help much either.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:03 PM
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I probably said this before on here, but I'm not so sure Halladay makes the HOF anymore like I thought he would after the no-no in the playoffs. Amazing how so many pitchers can only sustain their dominance for five years at most before flaming out into mediocrity at best. Cy Young and Walter Johnson would be shaking their heads if they knew what went on today.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:46 PM
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I probably said this before on here, but I'm not so sure Halladay makes the HOF anymore like I thought he would after the no-no in the playoffs. Amazing how so many pitchers can only sustain their dominance for five years at most before flaming out into mediocrity at best. Cy Young and Walter Johnson would be shaking their heads if they knew what went on today.
Halladay was probably the best pitcher in the world for a solid decade from 2002-2011. He is a lock to win election to the Hall of Fame. I'm so confident in that prediction, I'm making it Smooth Jimmy's Lock of the Week.

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Old 09-24-2013, 12:49 PM
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Halladay was probably the best pitcher in the world for a solid decade from 2002-2011. He is a lock to win election to the Hall of Fame. I'm so confident in that prediction, I'm making it Smooth Jimmy's Lock of the Week.

Yeah, if Doc isn't a HOF pitcher, there aren't any more HOF pitchers.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:55 PM
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Halladay was probably the best pitcher in the world for a solid decade from 2002-2011. He is a lock to win election to the Hall of Fame. I'm so confident in that prediction, I'm making it Smooth Jimmy's Lock of the Week.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...allaro01.shtml
Looking at similar pitchers doesn't really help my case for him. Only one of them is a Hall of Famer.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:27 PM
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Looking at similar pitchers doesn't really help my case for him. Only one of them is a Hall of Famer.
I would ask for some of what you're smoking, but I'm afraid that it'd erode my brain to the point where I start to think that Roy Halladay isn't a no-brainer hall of famer. He's in the hall within three years of becoming eligible, if he doesn't make it on the first ballot.
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Yeah, if Doc isn't a HOF pitcher, there aren't any more HOF pitchers.
The only argument that can be made against Halladay is the longevity argument but even that is shaky. He was certainly the most dominant pitcher of his time for an eight year span.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:52 PM
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Past stats like wins cannot be used like in the past when pitchers went farther into games , had more starts, innings, decisions, when there were routinely many pitchers every season with 20 wins. Halladay was pretty much acknowledged as the best or top 2 or 3 for a long time. Close to 100 games over. He isn't a lock to go first ballot but I would think he will get in fairly soon therafter.
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He had a great run, but it's no Pedro Martinez type of run. He's still going to have 200ish wins, 3.4ish ERA and 6.5 K/9. He's a HOF, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. He's interesting that he was a workhorse who threw a lot of innings, but was also hurt a lot.
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He had a great run, but it's no Pedro Martinez type of run. He's still going to have 200ish wins, 3.4ish ERA and 6.5 K/9. He's a HOF, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. He's interesting that he was a workhorse who threw a lot of innings, but was also hurt a lot.
The guy started almost 400 games and is 5th among active players in IP. He's no Mark Buehrle I guess.
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He had a great run, but it's no Pedro Martinez type of run. He's still going to have 200ish wins, 3.4ish ERA and 6.5 K/9. He's a HOF, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. He's interesting that he was a workhorse who threw a lot of innings, but was also hurt a lot.
Pedro in his prime was as good as just about anybody in the modern game. I agree he is above Roy.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:54 PM
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Pedro Martinez is usually ranked 11-15 as greatest pitchers of all time. Roy Halladay is usually between 25-30 all time. I would have to think Halladay would be a first ballot too.
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